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Thursday, February 24, 2005

The Money Game

Money
With time running out, let's look at today's reports from the Mayoral six (quickly becoming three)

Villaraigosa: Raised $359,000, for a total of $1.76 million. $1.1 million cash on hand

Hertzberg: Raised
$230,000 for a total of $1.85 million. $780,000 cash on hand

Hahn: Raised
$153,000, for a total of $2.9 million. $1.08 million cash on hand

Alarcon:
Raised $104,000 for a total of $549,000 raised, plus $153,000 in city matching funds. $78,000 cash on hand

Parks: Raised
$81,000 for a total of $770,000, plus $365,000 in city matching funds. $337,000 cash on hand

Walter Moore: $94,000 cash on hand (Included because he has more than Alarcon)

Thoughts: Antonio clearly has the momentum. Hertzberg and Hahn both have the cash to bash the hell out of each other, and the other two are just that...others.

And how does Moore have more than Alarcon? sad...

142 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said:

These numbers don't tell the whole truth. Anyone with a little political intuition knows that Parke Skelton holds off on paying debts until after the reporting period. So Tony only has about half of this cash on hand. Why else would Parke send out tht urgent "friendraiser" e-mail to beg from already siphoned pockets. The real money is in the Independent Expenditure groups. Eventhough Miguel is still licking the Tony bone and won't fully support Hahn, there is still the Indian money. And that money is limitless, just like their anger against Tony for lying to them. Lies always come back and bite you in the ass.

February 24, 2005 8:45 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

Huh? What? Is someone scatching the side of the glass case they live in?

Umm yeah, Antonio has far outraised the field since he's entered, he's been leading and perhaps increasing his poll numbers daily. All with this every dangerous recall brewing (can you hear the scary music?). Voters and donors know this is a FAKE RECALL and the smart money is on Antonio becoming the next mayor. Which is why you now see Hahn limping in the polls and raising money, and when he does raise money he has to have city commissioners there to help him.

blog away

February 24, 2005 8:57 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Isn't interesting how MEAT goes on about the recall more than he does Villaraigosa's opponents? If the recall is so fake, why does MEAT keep ridiculing it? Something tells me the Villaraigosa camp is worried about what the recall is going to do during the runoff.

February 24, 2005 9:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I think Parke paid some of those debts from the $500,000 spent backing Measure A. So, he may have more left than you think. On another note, I am not puzzled by MEAT's constant reference to the recall. I hear Antonio consulted Gary South about it. They are worried.

February 24, 2005 9:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

If the recall is real then they need to come out now and let people know its out there. People think its not happening cause there's been no press conference, no signs and quiet. If they want to get noticed NOW is the time to do it.

February 25, 2005 6:54 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I think the reason why MEAT references the recall on this blog very often is because it seems like the only talk of the recall is on this blog. It's like the previous blogger said: where are they? why is it that we don't hear about it? It's been all talk since they first made a fool out of themselves at Council Chambers when Eliseo and Ted Hayes went over there and made a scene.

It's probably just a few people who have either nothing much to do with their lives or wanted Villaraigosa to kiss their asses to make them feel all high and mighty. Maybe he didn't do that to them, and they might have felt insulted because their inflated egos couldn't handle being treated like a normal constituent.

I ask that if there is such a committee, that they post the names of the main committee members. If you're not willing to put yourself out there, you're not worth my time.

February 25, 2005 7:04 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Keep the MOJO going AV.

February 25, 2005 8:30 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

It amazes me how Villaraigosa supporters (kiss asses?) support a man who lied to an entire community. If Hahn or any other Villaraigosa opponent had done the same thing these same people would be calling for his recall or worse! As for the recall committee, four or five different newspapers have carried quarter page ads, as dictated by the city charter, with the statement of reasons for the recall and the names of the committee members. The city charter limits the number of people on the commiittee to 5 while the committee itself has over 25 active participants. Just because the press choose to ignore the recall by name - although they all mention the famous broken promise - don't think it doesn't exist. The recall will have its 12000 signatures in May!

February 25, 2005 8:47 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Surely the names (and signatures) that really matter are those on the recall petition? When we have council members running unopposed the recall is becoming a more attractive tool for keeping electeds accountable, in my opinion.

February 25, 2005 8:54 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Be serious... if the recall is real, then they're busy collecting the signatures to make it a factor, when it will do some good --- not working out sinister plots to soil Antonio's empty suit now. If it's "fake" as ADV supporters claim (hope), then making any more noise about it before the primary is pointless. ADV will be in the runoff, that's never been seriously debated by CD14 people, and making big noises about the recall before then is wasting ammunition. They know their neighbors (far better than ADV has ever bothered to get to know them), and know it will take more time to convince them this guy who is screwing the district shouldn't be "kicked upstairs" as a reward for that disservice.

Tony V's people would, of course, like that -- and that's the reason for the "show yourself" bait now. If they can coax the recall people into trying to make a splash now, then they can say next month (when he makes the runoff), "see the people have 'rejected' the recall" -- when really the two issues involve separate audience's. Tony's support in the district is declining, and he's really not focused on it now, anyway -- he needs a bigger audience, one less familiar with his neglect, in order to keep a citywide momentum up and replace the votes he's losing at home.

My $99 check's in the mail (and I've never given a dime to any political cause before). This one has more merit than adding a few pennies to some pols campaign war chest. Show a pathological liar that there are better "rewards" for people who betray the public trust than giving them a LARGER public trust to betray.

February 25, 2005 9:05 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Be serious... if the recall is real, then they're busy collecting the signatures to make it a factor, when it will do some good --- not working out sinister plots to soil Antonio's empty suit now. If it's "fake" as ADV supporters claim (hope), then making any more noise about it before the primary is pointless. ADV will be in the runoff, that's never been seriously debated by CD14 people, and making big noises about the recall before then is wasting ammunition. They know their neighbors (far better than ADV has ever bothered to get to know them), and know it will take more time to convince them this guy who is screwing the district shouldn't be "kicked upstairs" as a reward for that disservice.

Tony V's people would, of course, like that -- and that's the reason for the "show yourself" bait now. If they can coax the recall people into trying to make a splash now, then they can say next month (when he makes the runoff), "see the people have 'rejected' the recall" -- when really the two issues involve separate audience's. Tony's support in the district is declining, and he's really not focused on it now, anyway -- he needs a bigger audience, one less familiar with his neglect, in order to keep a citywide momentum up and replace the votes he's losing at home.

My $99 check's in the mail (and I've never given a dime to any political cause before). This one has more merit than adding a few pennies to some pol's campaign war chest so he can flash cash around for pet projects somewhere else someday (that's what ADV does, anyway). This can show a pathological liar that there are better "rewards" for people who betray the public trust than giving them a LARGER public trust to betray, and send a message to other dishonest public non-servants.

February 25, 2005 9:08 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Come on people don’t be such haters. The facts are the facts. Villaraigosa has the best momentum. He is doing well in the polls & the money is coming in.

And for the “joke” you call a recall give it up. Only one person is from the 14th. Ted Hayes is not even from the district. They will NEVER get to the 10,000 required signatures for the recall to be considered.

What the real fight is over second place. Who will Villaraigosa be up against? Hahn or Hertzberg?

February 25, 2005 9:59 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

THey have 95 days to get the signatures its more than enough time. Some of the people that have mentioned as part of the recallcommittee are absolutely not. Its ADV's people spinning. I wonder how much of ADV's money has come from his previous assembly money like the $500,000 did. MEAT hasn't answered the question why ADV has now changed his website to state only a "dozen" neighborhood watches. He was lying all this time. All it takes is one negative put out there on ADV like in 2001 and he can kiss it goodbye. I hear it's coming.

February 25, 2005 10:05 AM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

SPEAKING of money, and "games" would ANYone be surprised to know that KABC-TV (you know, the same station that "sponsored" that "impartial" poll last week that showed Attention-Deficit Villaraigosa WAY the heck out in front by UNbelievable numbers) -- that station has been, by FAR, the biggest recipient of campaign funds for ADV® media buys of any local station. Any chance that constitutes "Pay for PLACEMENT" (in the poll, not media buys?) Suspicious? Hey, I've seen this guy's political insultants make more hay with less of a connection than that -- when THEIR opponent's involved.

Common sense might dictate that other local stations, which spend more time on political coverage than KABC, might draw the eyes of far more people actually interested in the race than the more "fluffy" ABC local affiliate.

Not to mention that the "impartial" 3rd party TV station was also supposed to have slipped the ADV® folks some preliminary results of the survey long before anyone else knew. Just how "impartial" is that? By my quick estimate they got about $15K - $20K for every point out-of-wack their poll is with any others out there (assuming there's ANY connection... of course). If there isn't, how STUPID to locate the buys that way, when "ethics" and "graft" is in the sub-text of every aspect of this race.

February 25, 2005 10:21 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

As other people posted, I really think Nick Pacheco and his 3 supporters post to this site because they have no where else to voice their "concerns." I wonder if Nick's attorney friend Ricardo Sanchez (who was disciplined by the bar and actually suspended)is posting.

And, with respect to the recall, give it up. It sounds more like a circle jerk than a recall.

February 25, 2005 10:25 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey, let's keep dropping names here, irresponsibly, of people that may or may not have anything to do with the recall in some silly fishing expedition. I'll help you out, I've got a couple of local Yellow Pages for the area, but lets be a bit more systematic, to save time, and start with "A":

AA Bar Supplies
Aaron Abercrombie
Aaron Acevedo
Aaron Aguirre
Abigail Adams. . .

(Please let me know when we're getting warmer, ADV-lovers).

February 25, 2005 10:33 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I think you mean, ADV-lusters!

February 25, 2005 10:35 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

NO, you're wrong - Mabie's beyond it, the ghost of scorched earth campaigns past. Or maybe Cedillo --- or even ARNOLD -- the spirits of opponents yet to be slimed by Tony's toadies. It can't REALLY be unhappy constituents in the district, they all LOVE Antonio (check his declining numbers there... again). At least they know better than to criticize him at public meetings!

February 25, 2005 10:40 AM  

Blogger Anon-in-the-know said:

Newest addition to the Villaraigosa Website - a list of "Community Leaders" supporting his mayoral run. I don't know his district well enough to say for certain, but I don't think many of these are from the Eastside (and there are no other local "leaders" listed), which makes it all the more interesting in light of past posts saying he has little or nor support among neighborhood council presidents in CD14:

Bishop Charles E. Blake, West Angeles Church of God in Christ
Rev. William Campbell, Mt. Gilead Baptist Church
Rev. Wendel Davis, McKinley Ave. Baptist
Rev. Robert Lee DeFrance Jr., Redeemer Baptist Church of Los Angeles
Rev. Joe Gates, Southern Missionary Baptist Church
Rev. Charles Henderson, Trinity Baptist Church
Rev. Aaron Howard, Overcomers Church of God in Christ
Elder Mark Jennings, Los Angeles Ten-Point Coalition for Leadership
Rev. Norman Johnson, First New Fellowship Missionary Baptist Church
Rev. Perry Jones, Messiah Baptist
Rev. John Joyce, Faith Temple Church of God in Christ
Rev. William D. Knight, Unity Church of God in Christ
John Mack, Los Angeles Urban League
Rev. Adililu Martin, Trinity Baptist Church
Rev. Henry Masters Sr., Holman Methodist Church
Rev. Gregory McClain, First Bethany M.B.C.
Rev. Arthur Morris, Faith Temple Church of God in Christ
Rev. Cecil “Chip” Murray, First AME Church
Rev. Russell E. Thornhill, Minority AIDS Project
Rev. Mack Trimble, Faith Temple Church of God in Christ
Rev. R.A. Williams, McCoy Memorial Baptist
Rev. Ron Wright, New Vision Church of Jesus Christ

February 25, 2005 10:46 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Half-credit, since these names either already are, or soon will be on Parks' site, too.

February 25, 2005 11:18 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What does Antonio do with his eastside support? It will look bad if he lists only the few community leaders who support him in his "stronghold". What % of the vote did Antonio get in the 14th District in his last mayoral race? What is he polling now?

February 25, 2005 11:30 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Tony got 47.5% in CD 14 in the 01 primary. Now where is he? Under 30% maybe?

February 25, 2005 11:52 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Just as telling will be the turnout, as well as the percentage. By all indications (Times had an article about this earlier in the weak), the race isn't getting all that many people jazzed in the district. The ambivalence = low turnout = bad news for the "local" boy.

February 25, 2005 11:56 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

SN: That was the single-stupidest thing I've ever read in my life. Survey USA - a national polling firm with scores of clients - warped their poll data so that KABC could sell more ad space to a campaign? You must be as dumb as you sound.

February 25, 2005 12:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You may be right, but politics is always about following the money, isn't it. Does it hurt to ask (as SN did), why ADV's campaign spent a larger percentage of its media money on KABC TV than the other candidates. And, why does SurveyUSA do business mostly with TV stations (which then sell ad space to the very candidates their poll covers). And, how did ADV's people come to know portions of the polling information (and post it a week earlier, here) before anyone else -- before the station would even acknowledge they had the info themselves.

30+ years ago people said, "how silly of the Washington Post to suggest that Nixon had anything to do with the Watergate break-ins." He was way ahead in the polls and his opponent was no threat. Why would his staff be involved with anything as bush-league as an office break-in. "What a stupid thing to suggest."

February 25, 2005 12:25 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey, even more recent than that "anonymous" and more related to media. It's only been 5 or 6 years since they said "Why would the L.A. Times -- which has more money that God and all the local TV outlets combined get involved with a silly revenue sharing scheme with the Staples Center." That one only netted them $1 million or so -- and jeopardized their journalistic integrity for pennies, compared to what it's worth in the long run. People are stupid and power-hungry.

February 25, 2005 12:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT and others suffering from recall anxiety.

In political campaigning, timing is everything. If Tony doesn't make the runoff or goes into it bruised and battered, there is no recall. Hence, the low key approach. In the past, Tony's political opponents have held back due to bad advice or over confidence, or as in Hahn's case four years ago, he didn't need to pull everything on Tony.

In the recall, there is no political opponent worried about his career or worried that he was being too harsh. This time there will be no holding back. And once again, timing, timing, timing. Tony will run out of mony soon and his opponent will be forced to go negative on T.V. and radio. This will only help the recall. Ever hear of killing two birds with one stone? This is a case of killing one Tony with two stones.

February 25, 2005 12:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

If KABC was involved in this poll for news purposes, why have they hardly mentioned it on air, or anywhere else. Maybe it was just to sell ad space to cash-rich candidates?

February 25, 2005 12:39 PM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

Just asking some questions -- as are others now. That can't hurt, right? I do know that political fundraising, especially as we get down to the wire, is all about being perceived as a "possible" winner, which is why some of the second tier candidiates' contributions are drying up at this stage. No one wants to keep thowing money at someone who's mathematically out of the running.

Polling in the 20s (as it appeared from the Times poll earlier), even LOWER than in 2001 - ADV® supporters may very well have been wondering - is this just deja vu all over again? Is he going to just barely win the primary and then sink in the runoff (Answer: yes!). BUT, if his campaign can show him polling substantially HIGHer than 4 years ago -- "by any means necessary" -- then the money will keep rolling in, people will back a "winner," and we can keep spending the money to actually move him ahead.

Regardless, ask yourself a question, too. If you were involved in a campaign that just got a big boost from a poll sponsored by a TV station, wouldn't you be VERY sure to avoid the "appearance of evil" and keep the sales to that station under the radar, rather than up high? Are Attention-Deficit Villaraigosa's political insultants just too damn dum-dum (or arrogant, or both) to keep their boyt from looking crooked (or stupid, or both), when the numbers rolled out today?

Wasn't just the "appearance" of being involved with fundraising for Hahn what some of his appointed commissioners were accused of here, very recently?

February 25, 2005 12:55 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The KABC poll really was way off from everything else out there -- the sub-demographics didn't jive with, or support the final numbers for the five candidates either. And didn't the "leaked" numbers Meat and the campaign site posted the week before say Hertzberg wasn't well enough known to even rate? And then he ended up with almost identical numbers to Parks? Weird. Someone should start asking some questions. I think it's very odd to have a media outlet making hundreds of thousands of dollars off TV ads surrounding a poll they barely make note of in their news coverage.

February 25, 2005 1:04 PM  

Blogger Anon-in-the-know said:

Still no mention of this poll on that station's news website -- several days after it broke. News about Hahn going to rain damage sites, more recently, but nothing about this expensive poll that I can find.

February 25, 2005 1:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Moore's about to burn through the rest of his money now. He has some TV ads in the works, a la Alarcon, where he's hitting a punching bag, too.

Only in his ad, the bag wins!

February 25, 2005 1:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

NOT ONE ENDORSEMENT FROM ANYONE IN CD14 DISTRICT. ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE THE BLACK LEADERS WHO PROTESTED BITTER BERNIE NOT GETTING A 2ND CHANCE. PATHETIC NOT ONE SINGLE EL SERENO, BOYLE HEIGHTS, HIGHLAND PARK ETC. ETC ON HIS SITE. WHAT MESSAGE DO YOU THINK THAT IS SENDING???? PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN ALIGNED WITH THE RECALL ARE NOT INVOLVED. IT'S MEAT'S DUMB SPIN.

February 25, 2005 2:08 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

(Hey, I'm on your side -- but go ahead and push the "caps lock" key down one more time). It's Friday, your hurting my eyes.

February 25, 2005 2:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Attention...Attention...phones are ringing off the hook, e-mails are going crazy throughout LA. Everyone is up in arms. Why? Just found out that Cynthia Ruiz, Villaraigosa campaigner, was sneaky enough to get herself on the Citywide Alliance of Neighborhood steering committee which organizes the mayoral debates.Mind you Cynthia has never been to a Citywide Alliance regular meeting. She stronged armed NC's to give up their lists of who was attending the debates from the Eastside NC's for Monday. She in turned is taking some of those names off and putting Villaraigosa supporters on. NC's all over are very angry. She may have also been privy to the questions being asked to the candidates for Monday's debate for Tony. IF true then Hertzberg, Alarcon and the rest should be very angry. Again only Tony's people would be so low down and dirty. Big story in LA this Friday.

February 25, 2005 2:18 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Someone on another thread here asked if any of the "Anti" Villaraigosa posters would be willing to meet with CD14 staffers and "rumble" over all these grievances. Do you see why this isn't possible? The slogan of the LAPD is "protect and serve." The goal of ADV staffers (and campaign people) is "promote and protect" the boss (mostly protect him from exposure to his own constituents in potentially uncontrolled circumstances. God forbid they should complain, or even ask him a question he hasn't rehearsed the answer to -- in front of a full length mirror.

February 25, 2005 2:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

what is and who are the steering committee members (of course I know Cynthia Ruiz is one) of the alliance?

February 25, 2005 2:27 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meet with the staffers? Surely the only person to meet with Antonio!

February 25, 2005 2:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Alliance Steering Committee members are people from different neighborhood councils.

February 25, 2005 3:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yes, and within many of the NCs on the Eastside, there are AV supporters (and campaigners/fundraisers) and people not-so-fond of his term in office. They are often at odds, especially when it comes to items that have to be run through the CD office, about how to deal with them. I'm sure it's similar in other CDs, but not quite as intense as here -- especially since he announced his candidacy and effectively removed himself even more than ever from day-to-day district activities.

February 25, 2005 3:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Once again Attention Deficit Villaraigosa had a community member show up to City Council and talk about the gang violence in Boyle Heights. He loves his community and criticzed ADV and his staff for ignoring his messages wanting to set up a meeting to do something anything. After he spoke ADV went up to him and scolded the guy for going and embarrassing him. What an absolute asshole.

February 25, 2005 3:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I just found out about this site and have spent some time reading the last few topics. a few things are very obvious here. there are some sick people out there who have a thing for getting villaraigosa. you people are pretty scary. how is it that all comments lead back too a slam of villaraigosa. I am no villaraigosa fan nor am I a hater just a follower of politics, but can't someone out there who is neutral give the guy some credit. he got in last, he's now in first, he has the most money left. his biggest weekness in 2001 the black community has abandoned hahn and looks to be coming to him. villaraigosa and his people, whether you like them or not, know what the hell they are doing. can the haters at least admit that to salvage some small amount of credibility?

February 25, 2005 3:22 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"...give the guy some credit. he got in last, he's now in first, he has the most money left."

He's done all this by lying to his constituents about NOT running, lying about his accomplishments as city councilmember, and abusing the office he now holds. How would you suggest that someone "neutral" should "give him credit" for this opportunistic behavior? Where you come from, do they reward ruthless ambition at the expense of others with applause and promotion? I'm very sorry for you, if that's the case -- the ends don't always have to justify the means, but people have to hold out for better "means" in order to change that. This often requires being able to live through being called "haters." What you see here are not AV "haters" but "lovers" of their own community.

Even someone "neutral" should be able to see the flaw in that. Someone who is not "neutral" would try to distract attention from this by citing his "rapid" advancement (no further along than he was 4 years ago at this time). Nice try, "neutral" party...

February 25, 2005 3:39 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To previous poster let me put it in language maybe you'll understand.How would you like to campaign hard for a candidate and later be told what he said to you was just to help him get the 1st stepping stone to mayor? How would you like seeing your community deteroriate slowly since ADV's been in office, be treated with such disrespect by his staffers and not be able to get anywhere with ADV's office if you have an issue? We are paying taxes same as the Westsiders but not getting the same attention to our problems or issues. You would be just as angry. Don't you think it kills us to see that other parts of the city have no clue how badly ADV has done in CD14? I know we only have ourselves to blame for not speaking out.

February 25, 2005 3:41 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Sir, you are a Villaraigosa supporter. And you should read what a guy called MEAT writes about people who are not Villaraigosa supporters.

February 25, 2005 3:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

Good grief, do you really think i started any of this? I merely give as good as i get, i think all the insane anti-villaraigosa bashing was started long before i ever came along. If someone wants to bash Antonio and praise another candidate, i'll bash twice as hard. If you just want to bash Antonio without IDing yourself or just for sport, than don't get upset if i try to set the record straight.

Also in the last 3 weeks there as been an intense campaign to "get Meat" or expose me. No one and i mean nobody has even come close to IDing me. Every name on this blog has been 100% wrong. And i apologize to people i know for being mistakened for me.

I live in los feliz
i am 29
i am half white half latino
i've lived in LA for 11 years
I went to Arizona State University

If you've been reading since the 4th floor blogger days, i've said each one of these statements over the course of the last 6 months in different blogs.

If you know me, great. If people are on a crusade to find me, then i'll be at the house of Pies (off of vermont)tonight eating dinner.

blog away dum-dums

February 25, 2005 4:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

It's good to have newbie's pop on and it should be encouraged, not discouraged - but it does seem like once a day or so, someone jumps in with a very similar, hard-to-believe line and says "gee, I just found this site, and it seems so neat, but I can't believe how many people are just being awful to Tony V. He seems like such a good person and credit to his community."

It is hard to take that seriously, day after day -- especially when the admiration isn't really supported by facts, or any new information, but rather some need by his campaign to "tone down" criticism that might be getting out to the masses through this site.

February 25, 2005 4:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Worst interview I've ever read on Tony Villar from Biz Journal. Look Meat HE actually states this..

Q: You ran once before and lost. The voters spoke at the time. What’s different now?
A: The last campaign was a very ugly campaign. It was a campaign of fear that Jim Hahn waged against my candidacy. It was easy to demonize me. But that doesn’t work twice. The people didn’t know me as well as they do now. What’s different is people have seen me as a councilmember. They’ve seen me settle that MTA strike when Jim Hahn was missing in action. They’ve seen me on the campaign trail as John Kerry’s national co-chair. People have seen me engaged in the community.

February 25, 2005 4:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT, I couldnt care less who you really are. I take comfort in knowing you're full of something - and it's not meat. 81 percent approval rating in the district, never proven - never supported. 80 neighborhood watches started in CD14 in the past 18 months, never proven - never supported. High ADV "approvals" from KABC polling, never proven - never supported (and only cited on ADV's one spin-site). Recall backed by 5 sleazy bar owners, never proven - never supported. Recall a "fake" with less than 2,000 signatures, never proven - never supported. And it goes on-and-on. This is all of your "identity" that matters... a mouthpiece for manufactured statistics and campaign lies in support of a candidate who has based the last 5 years of his career (at least), on more of the same. I'd recognize you a mile away. You're the guy with a terminal case of "egg" on his face (being "polite" there).

February 25, 2005 4:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You've got to "see" Tony V. in action by way of television... he don't "act" unless the cameras are on.

February 25, 2005 4:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Let me get this straight, is there a politician that has kept all the promises made? If you answered yes then who? Have you ever changed your mind about anything? Please be realistic. People change their mind everyday and though I am disappointed that Antonio won't serve out his term in Council people should be happy that the Mayor will be living in their district.
Another thing, do you really think that politicians like to do fundraisers?
They all need money to fund a campaign and that is a reality.
But, all the money will not help without a good candidate.

February 25, 2005 4:20 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"But, all the money will not help without a good candidate."

Good to know, thanks for the piece of mind. "CALL OFF THE RECALL GUYS... TONY V. AIN'T GOING ANYWHERE! (This year, anyway!)

February 25, 2005 4:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To the previous posters thanks for getting back to the topic at hand: "The Money Game." All too often you incompetent morons drift onto rants about one particular candidate. Please don't lose site of the fact that there are numerous candidates in this race for mayor. Each posting has become a cut-and-paste operation. In one ear out the other. Don't you just love blogs?

February 25, 2005 4:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

If I had a nickel for everytime I heard that one, I could outspend all the candidates for mayor: "But they ALL lie, they ALL break their promises."

It's true -- but how many of them base their ENTIRE run for that office on a lie, a lie that would have kept them from winning if people had only known the truth? That's not even close to the same thing. If someone can convince me, using facts, that ADV just "changed" his mind 6 months ago, and that he hasn't been running FROM this position and running FOR just about anything else since the day after swearing in, I'll eat my computer screen. People who want the job don't spend so much time away from it they have to say in newspaper articles "the people of L.A. know me better now... they saw me in WASHINGTON D.C. working for Kerry" They don't stockpile funds for races beginning in 2006, and they don't spend their first two years trying to upstage the current mayor, instead of trying to work with him to improve life in the city Bogus, bogus, bogus.

February 25, 2005 4:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Incompetent Moron said: "Don't you just love blogs?"

I do. What I don't particularly like is posters who feel they need to "direct traffic" on them. Unless you're Mayor Sam, posting anonymously, that is. Blogs have a life and drift of their own -- and they don't need "traffic cops" like you telling people to get back on track when things get too heated for their taste - or choice of candidates. It's ALL related...

February 25, 2005 4:48 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Issues money: Can Tony Villar spend any of his assembly money on CD14 organizations? There are now 10 homicides in Boyle Heights yet not one word form Tony Villar. Public Safety use to be his top priority not anymore.

February 25, 2005 4:56 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Of course politicians can and do change their mind - but then they should be held accountable. For example, many people think Vilaraigosa beat Pacheco because of the pledge he made to stay in the district representing CD14 residents for a full 4 year term. Villaraigosa promised he would be better than Pacheco. Now by any objective standard Villaraigosa hasn't been better than Pacheco - he's been out of the state too often to be a good representative. He's been too busy running for mayor, also. And, Villaraigosa not only broke his major campaign pledge, he then added insult to injury by saying that the community urged him to run for mayor. Whoever says that politicians always break their promises and accepts that situation, you don't deserve good government. And, MEAT, I know who you are and it is of no consequence. I don't think there is one person outside of Villaraigosa's camp who takes you seriously. Sometime you should take some time off and speak to a therapist about that inflated ego of yours.

February 25, 2005 5:02 PM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

I love that one, myself. I heard something similar before, about being "happy" that the mayor will be living in their district. (I think they also told this to the little community in the northeast that Attention-Deficit Villaraigosa carpetbagged into for less than a year, in order to run in 2003). The same neighborhood that's now having it's identity threatened (again) by the imported ADV® staffers who don't know Boyle Heights from a boil on their backside.

Question: What will be the advantage of that "proximity"? Are you suggesting in some way that having a Mayor live in CD14 will bring more services to the area (disproportionately?), that he'll pay more attention to this one district because he lives here (careful, there are other districts watching!) Having the current "honorary" city councilmember living in THE DISTRICT hasn't helped any over the last two years.

Or are the people of CD14 just going to be privileged in getting to wave at this motorcade every a.m., when he's on his way downtown. Do we get cross-town bragging rights? Can we tell people, "Hey, I hear the new Mayor shops at the same run-down Albertsons I do (sometimes)."

Finally, I love the bravado and arrogance of the added comment that the mayor "will" be living in the district. We're not even to the primary yet. Did I miss a couple of popular votes, or does that not really matter, anymore?

February 25, 2005 5:04 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yes, anonymous, there are numerous other candidates in the race -- and it appears that we're down to 3, maybe 4 that have a fighting chance. However, only one of them lied to me and the other people in CD14 about his intentions. I head it personally, I take it personally. I was there, and heard the lie firsthand, and I took him at his word -- and set about to work with him and his staff on projects critical to my community.

I was a fool, then, and wasted a number of months before it became obvious he just wasn't "here." Not in mind, not in service, not in spirit and often not even in body. I won't be a fool again. I will choose from the other "numerous" candidates, and continue to recount why the "one" should be recalled.

February 25, 2005 5:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What would you suggest we do about this topic? Should we be giving the candidate tips on how to spend their money?

Let the blog flow where it may; move to another thread if I don't like where it heads. I don't think the people criticizing ADV here are stopping anyone else from posting or having discourse about any other political topic.

February 25, 2005 5:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I have changed my mind about things. Like a growing nmber of Eastside people, I've changed my mind about ever again believing a single word that comes out of Antonio Villaraigosa's mouth.

February 25, 2005 5:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Question? Do any of you think ADV's alignment with Bitter Bernie is going to hurt him with Latinos and people in the valley? Let's not forget Bitter Bernie was ousted by the entire city council, and the police commission. Aside from cops community peple wanted him OUT. Now ADV is with him in photo ops and I have to tell you people I talk to says its doesn't look good that ADV is with a corrupt ExChief.

February 25, 2005 5:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I have a problem ADV represents an entire Latino community and not one single community leader is listed on his website. Not one single Latino organization. Now I'm not trying to play the race card but wouldn't you think where are the same people who endorsed him last time and NO ONE from his community is on there. Didn't MEAT say LA LEY endorsed him because they're not listed on website either. Maybe another lie

February 25, 2005 5:51 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

Hmmm aligning himself with a corrupt chief, Lying about the neighborhood watches, a well organized recall (that dots every I and crosses every T), all this negative stuff about Antonio.

You'd think with all of this he'd be in last place without any donor support.

You know Antonio gets the endorsement of god fearing men and a blogger here on this site calls them poverty pimps, he gets the endorsement of the 2 premiere environmental orgs and someone calls them worthless. He continues to surge in the polls, yet they are all meaningless and its actually a conspiracy.

If you want to believe the LA Times is in bed with Antonio and that his ad buys to ABC somehow represent that SurveyUSA will alter their numbers, if you think that, really truly honestly do, then there is no hope for you. You can continue your membership to the flat earth society, UFO's are real and Elvis is my neighbor. People that are against Antonio on this site are some of the wackiest people ever. Its nice that Sackonight is their leader and inspires them daily to new heights of insanity.

Look people, does Antonio make mistakes, yes. Does he admit them, yes - is any one candidate perfect, NO. But to spout off 100% true blue lies isn't helping your case.

As for the cynthia ruiz conspiracy mentioned above, she did not kick off anyone, the rules state that folks who went to the first debate can't attend the next one. This is so others can participate as well, was this a rule put in my by ruiz, no, are you insane? yes.

Look as a member of a neighborhood council this rule was in place, and ruiz had nothing to do with it.

blog away dum-dums

February 25, 2005 6:41 PM  

Blogger dgarzila said:

Not to change teh subject , but I was just polled by the LA Times.

Looks like their numbers may be coming out soon.

The poll data for teh la times is http://www.latimes.co/latimespoll

anyway. I could barely understand what the lady was saying , but it was an indian accent (From India) , makes me wonder if the times is outsourcing even these types of jobs , which tells me they are hypocritical in endorsing someone who is fighitng for social and economic justice.

Anyway look for the poll.

February 25, 2005 7:34 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

As weird as it may seem MEAT, the anti Villaraigosa sentiment on this site is not organized, to the best of my knowledge. It is not centered around the recall - and believe me, I would know if it is. No, what you are witnessing, and I can understand that it is difficult for you to comprehend, for several reasons, is a genuine outpouring of anger against our councilmember. (Not your councilmember, - you are not registered voter in the 14th district, if I remember correctly.) The recall, which by the way has been subjected to your lies and smears, - you have been the pot calling the (fairly clean) kettle black - is on target to get the required signatures. If we don't get them in May, by all means laugh your head off. But it the meantime, you would do well to a) get acquainted better with CD14 so you can post intelligently or b) post your lies and smears exclusively on Antonio2005.

February 25, 2005 8:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT SAID: "Look people, does Antonio make mistakes, yes. Does he admit them, yes. . ."

And he calls US delusion, Wooo ha!!! Name ONE time, Carnitas. Name one time, he has EVER admitted a mistake. Neither his ego, his staff, or his campaign people would allow this.

(Another MEAT lie that will NEVER be backed up with anything close to facts!) You did note that in that entire long message, there was no backup for any of the dozen or so re-posted MEAT lies here... just insults.

February 25, 2005 10:18 PM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

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February 25, 2005 10:25 PM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

"Its nice that Sackonight is their leader and inspires them daily to new heights of insanity."

MAET, I appreciate both the undeserved promotion (to "leader") and your unsolicited compliment. But for crying out loud, MTAE, the screenname is SacramentoNighties. It's not that hard or that many letters, AMTE. Please try to get it correct, MTEA, KO?

P.S. (Previous Anon, yeah, I noticed that, too... But we've all come to expect that. The longer the message, the less facts in evidence.)

February 26, 2005 2:20 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT again instead of answering the question you miss the point. NOT ONE Latino leader from CD14 community on ADV's website. The black reverends he lists are the same ones that threatened to burn down LA after Devin Brown shooting, the sames ones who threatened that there will be payback. Now I may have a conscience and morals but here's ADV aligning himself for votes after knowing they said this stuff. Blacks do not want a Latino mayor. Latinos are the majority in their districts now and they hate that. Bitter Bernie made us lose 1,000 cops. ADV hasn't said jack shit about public safety in months knowing full well he now has 10 homicides in his district.

February 26, 2005 8:16 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Again Meat, the point is Cynthia Ruiz is a ADV campaigner. IF she's on the steering committee then Alarcon, Hahn, Hertzberg and Bitter Bernie should all be able to have campaigners on the steering committee as well. You can't be as dumb as you sound Meat

February 26, 2005 8:19 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The fact of the matter is why should Cynthia Ruiz be allowed on the Alliance steering committee when she's on ADV's campaign committee? Alarcon, Hertzberg, Hahn and Bitter Bernie should also be allowed to have their people on the steering committee as well. Its pathetic when you think about though ADV needed someone put in there sneakly to get the questions so he could study

February 26, 2005 8:32 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I am aware of some of the misinfornmation being transmitted around the net with regard to Cynthia Ruiz' participation in the Alliance Steering Committee.

Our goal in the Alliance has been and will continue to be to improve commmunication between neighborhood Councils all over the city. To do that, we have attempted to assemble a steering committee of representatives from each of fourteen areas of the City over te past four years. To date, most of the participants have been invited, based on their willingness to commit time and effort toward building the Citywide Alliance. In three out of the fourteen geographic areas, we have been less successful for a variety of reasons. The southern part of the East area of Los Angeles is one of those areas. Several people have offered to fill the role but have, for one reason or another, have been unable to commit the time necessary in terms of steering committe meetings, Saturday forums and area organization that we would like to see to support the Citywide Alliance as a whole. From that perspective I approached Cynthia, based on her position as a former LA32 NC Board member and as a former Public Works Commissioner for the Eastside, to see if she would consider taking on that role.

She was not "sneaky" in any way as has been alleged in some of the more vicious emial. She agreed to help out when we asked. We probably weren't attuned to the local concerns in that area before we acted unilaterally to invite her into the committee. It's a classic top down solution to a problem and we should have known better.

Another allegation involves "strong arming NC's" into changing their guest lists for the debate. Let's be clear that Cynthia could not and cannot change any of the lists on her own. The Steering Committee as a whole was invloved in the decisions surrounding reducing the lists for the second debate. For the first debate on February 7th, we had five hundred seats, of which we allocated seven to each of the City's Neighborhood Councils. We thought we were going to have the same number of seats for the 28th, so we asked each NC to tell us who would be filling the seats for each of the two events.. Some NC's gave us the same names for both events, some gave us different names for each event and some did not fill the reservations for the second debate.

After the first debate, were we informed by CBS that the larger studio would not be available for the 28th. We were moved to a much smaller studio, where we only have 100 seats for the audience. In fairness, we agreed to give preference in seating to the people who had signed up only for the second debate. We simply took the original sign-up list for both of the debates as of February 7th provided by the NC's themselves, removed the dupilcates from the first debate and began contacting the remaining people to verify their attendance on 2/28. Cynthia was given that list for a portion of the the East area. She did not have any say in how it was compiled. No consideration was given to candidate affiliation, since the other steering committee members did not (and do not) know who the people on the lsit may be supporting..

Cynthia, like the rest of the Committee members was privy to the discussion of the draft question list. She has not seen the final question list maintained by the producers from CBS-2. She and the other Committee Members I've talked to subsequent to our discussions maintain that the matters have not been discussed with anyone outside the Steering Committee. Clearly, there are lessons to be learned from this experience, that will be the subject of on-going discussions within the Alliance and its participating Neighborhood Councils.

As I said at the beginning, we are about communication. To the extent we failed in that effort, we need to address the situation and learn from it. Hopefully, the Neighborhood Councils will recognize that we may have been less than graceful in our attempt to outreach to them, but that our intent to include them in our activities as contibuting participants is very real.

Noah Modisett
Coordinator of the Citywide Alliance of Neighborehood Councils.

February 26, 2005 9:26 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Noah? Would you please list the steering committee members. I know several people from the eastside who have been with NCs from day one who would have been happy to serve on the alliance steering committee. I was told last night that not one of them has ever been approached. How long has Cynthia Ruiz been involved with NCs?

February 26, 2005 10:58 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The same black leaders who went to Hahn and pleaded with him to get rid of Parks. So be careful Antonio - they might not be around in the runoff!

February 26, 2005 11:39 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'm sure that Noah Modisett recognizes at this point that many of the questions that will be pointed to Citywide Alliance of Neighborhood Councils will probably have more to do with the fact that those asking them are Anti-Villaraigosa people who will look for anything that they can use against him. There's no way that those questioning Cynthia Ruiz's role in all of this do not have that as their agenda. Even though you have answered their questions to the best of your abilities, that will never satisfy them.

February 26, 2005 11:50 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

There are no angels in this political game, as far as I can tell as an undecided voter. There have certainly been plenty of equally nasty allegations made against the methods and motives of the current mayor and his supporters and staff by "pro-Villaraigosa" people here. That agenda is pretty clear, as well. If you live by the "vicious allegation" you need to be prepared to die by it, too.

February 26, 2005 12:48 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Be nice if the head of the Alliance knew how to spell "neighborhood"...

February 26, 2005 12:49 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I can appreciate Noah's explanation and willingness to say that there were communications slips, possibly. I didn't realize from any of the past posts, however, that the individual being discussed is a "former" NC board member, not even a current one, serving on the alliance's steering committee for these things. There must be 300 or more elected NC boardmembers on the Eastside (Boyle Heights along has 50 or so). No one with any current connection to a certified NC was willing to step up to this?

February 26, 2005 12:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is it being anti-Villaraigosa to ask for the names of the members of the steering committee. Surely it's no state secret.

February 26, 2005 12:55 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is it being anti-Villaraigosa to ask for the names of the members of the steering committee?

February 26, 2005 12:56 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is it being anti-Villaraigosa to ask for the names of the members of the steering committee?

February 26, 2005 12:57 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is it being anti-Villaraigosa to ask for the names of the members of the steering committee?

February 26, 2005 12:57 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Some good points above. Who is on the steering committee of the alliance?

February 26, 2005 1:02 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Some good points above. Who is on the steering committee of the alliance?

February 26, 2005 1:02 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Some good points above. Who is on the steering committee of the alliance?

February 26, 2005 1:02 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I just saw Parks' first t.v. commercial. Surprisingly, it was pretty good.

February 26, 2005 4:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I wonder how many times a day Nick Pacheco posts on this blog.

Dear Nick, you lost. get over it. better yet, go and get a job. I know that your heartbreaking loss for District Attorney must have been a shocker. what did you get, like 8% of the vote?

The fake recall campaign started two months ago. There are about 60 days left to get 10,000 or more valid signatures.

question to all: how many signatures does the fake recall campaign currently have?

answer from someone who actually knows: None.

blog away dum dums

February 26, 2005 4:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Parks ad is HORRIBLE. Was it shot on a camera phone?

February 26, 2005 4:45 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

All this talk about a recall. The only recall I have heard about in CD14 is the recall of Rick Acosta LA-32 Neighborhood Council President. There are 300 signatures from angry community members trying to get rid of him. The Board of Directors of the Neighborhood Council has accepted the recall petition. All of the stakeholders will now get a chance to vote him out of office. Is he in Hahn’s camp or Hertzberg’s camp? Does any one what to claim him? He was a Pacheco guy.

February 26, 2005 5:03 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is somebody getting worried in Villaraigosa's camp?

February 26, 2005 5:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

It doesn't matter how many signatures are on the Recall VIllaraigosa petition today as long as there are over 13000 in May. I am sure we are hearing from the same poster who said only one month ago that Jim Hahn was behind the recall. Couldn't be the people of CD14, could it?

February 26, 2005 5:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Good for Rick Acosta. He's gonna be up there with Gray Davis and Antonio Villaraigosa!

February 26, 2005 5:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The LAT Times. The LA Weekly. ABC. KABC. The Daily Breeze. The Bill Handel Show. NBC. CBS. Daily News. Doug McIntyre. Even Mayor Sam. Everywhere you could hear about the recall of Antonio Villaraigosa But the above poster has only heard about the recall of a neighborhood council officer. Villaraigosa supporters really know what's going on. No wonder Tony is in trouble. Blog away Dummy.

February 26, 2005 5:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I think Nick probably post daily....why do you ask? Because has no job. Strike that. He's representing some developer in Montecito Heights. The developer must be somewhat intelligent because he hired Nick as his lobbyist/consultant and not as his attorney.

February 26, 2005 5:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I wonder if the person claiming to be in the know can tell us how many votes Antonio has today? No, he/she and us will have to wait until the night of March 8. And our friend also will have to wait until the end of April to know how many signatures the recall has. Nice try - but no cigar.

February 26, 2005 5:56 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I could swear that Rick Acosta somewhere announced that he was a Hertzbergian, but somehow that doesn't make sense since he and Hahn's air head Eastside Rep Terry Acosta have conspired in the past doing stuff behind the back of the LA-32 E-board.

What about Manny Hernandez, Rick Acosta's sidekick? I'm sure he's running around telling one group one thing and something else to another group. That's his way operating.

February 26, 2005 6:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Noah, the problem is ethics. Cynthia Ruiz is a Villaraigosa committee campaigner. Why weren't Alarcon, Herztberg, Bitter Bernie or Hahn's people asked to be on steering committee? It also sounds as if this was YOUR decision. Did the other steering committee members vote her in? Everyone has a problem with one mayoral candidate having an "in" on the debate for Monday. I thought your guys were non-partisan. It just looks bad and all the other mayoral candidates are livid.

February 26, 2005 6:09 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Careful, we've got the brains of the Villaraigosa camp posting now. And once again, they have to find a person to attack. Get over it Montecito Heights poster (CD1 ?), and accept the fact that the people of CD14 have had enough of Antonio Villaraigosa. Who did Antonio Man of the People work for when he was out of office? Oh yea, the billionaires club - Ron Burkle, Eli Broad, Ed Roski. Way to go Antonio, it's terrible dealing with the little people, isn't it?

February 26, 2005 6:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'm not going to comment on Nick Pacheco but I am going to defend the family that hired him to build a home on Montecito Drive.

This is way off the topic, but I thought that the nice couple that wants to build their own home to raise a family on Montecito Drive should not be maligned with the label "developer."

February 26, 2005 7:49 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I think the previous poster was trying to malign Pacheco by linking him to so called "developers". Pretty clever level of deception on the part of the poster to call a future new home owner a developer.

Look's like the anti-Pacheco folks will lie about anything nowadays.

February 26, 2005 10:02 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Only as an observer, I have had the opportunity to view the workings of several NCs on the Eastside over the past 2-3 years. I can tell you that some NC leaders -- who have had their names maligned here in this very thread by someone trying to suggest that Ms. Ruiz's partisanship is no different than theirs -- have gone out of their way to keep all NC activities clean of any partisan political aspects during this race. In recent weeks, a board president of one NC who was just mentioned here, made a point of stopping all board activity mid-process, because another member had begun passing out campaign literature opposing Mr. Villaraigosa. That NC leader, I believe, also opposes Villaraigosa's run for mayor, but he was unwilling in any way to allow the information to be passed out while the meeting was in sessions and had it removed. This is a highly commendable action -- not something that deserves slander here. Those who attempt to defend someone who appears to have acted in a partisan manner should not malign those who work overtime to avoid being partisan in their NC roles.

February 27, 2005 12:33 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Good for that NC leader who didn't allow campaign info passed during a NC meeting. Let's not shoot the messenger. I have a feeling Cynthia is posting to slam other people because she got caught. No doubt she should resign immediately, but I think its too late cause the debate is tomorrow. Hope ADV studied the questions. How unfair!!!!

February 27, 2005 9:23 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Good for that NC leader who didn't allow campaign info passed during a NC meeting. Let's not shoot the messenger. I have a feeling Cynthia is posting to slam other people because she got caught. No doubt she should resign immediately, but I think its too late cause the debate is tomorrow. Hope ADV studied the questions. How unfair!!!!

February 27, 2005 9:27 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I am a stakeholder in CD 14 more specifically the area covered by the LA-32 Neighborhood Council. Rick Acosta is out of control and has done nothing for the community. His biggest accomplishment so far is buying an engraved nametag for himself that says “president”.
At the Neighborhood Council Meeting last month he brought in a second agenda he made up himself. He tried to ignore the Agenda developed by the Executive Committee. The entire LA-32 Board saw right through that and voted to adhere to the Agenda that was developed by the Executive Board (&posted per the Brown Act)
Mr. Acosta is out of control. After the entire NC voted to have Linda McGuire (Board member) to service as a liaison to the City Controller’s committee he removed her and put in someone else. This week he removed another Board member from the Development committee for no reason. Hello Mr. Acosta this is not a dictatorship this is a process for the community to have input.
I am an active member in the community who voted for you to become president. What a disappointment. I am looking forward to the day I can vote on your recall so the Neighborhood Council can return to the business at hand, HELPING THE COMMUNITY.

February 27, 2005 1:58 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The development committee member failed to attend meetings. (Must have been an ADV supporter), he missed more Education & Neighborhood committee meetings than he's attended. If you don't show, you should go!

February 27, 2005 4:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"I am an active member in the community who voted for you to become president"

That's odd, my reading of the LA32 bylaws is that the elected board names it's own president -- not the stakeholders at large. I smell a "fake" on Mayor Sam's blog...

February 27, 2005 4:08 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Re: the statement from the self-identified LA32 stakeholder above, please note the following portions of that NC's bylaws as it pertains to his/her claims (emphasis added):

(from descriptions of officers duties...)

1. The President who shall:
a. Preside over the Board in the capacity as Chairman and as presiding officer of
the general community meetings;
b. PREPARE THE MEETING AGENDA with the assistance of the Executive Board;
c. Serve as THE OFFICIAL LA-32 REPRESENTATIVE, including AS LIAISON with governmental agencies;
d. Establish committees as defined in Section C herein and APPOINT MEMBERS to such committees;

[SNIP]

Please explain how this NC president exceeded his authority under the council's bylaws in the instances cited. Rather it sounds as if factions on the council have attempted to take over some of the duties assigned to the president, per bylaws, without the benefit of a recall vote.

February 27, 2005 4:45 PM  

Blogger Anon-in-the-know said:

If that's a "dictatorship" then most other NCs in the city are also.

February 27, 2005 4:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Amazing how the Attention Deficit Villaraigos supporters are dumping on a young man who did the right thing. Typical of ADV supporters to try and throw the blame on someone else when they get caught in something. Love the Channel 4 press today. Antonio looked like he was hung over, despondent and on some kind of sleeper drugs. The reporter nailed him on taking money from casinos. She also nailed him on not having his "so called spark." Maybe now he'll start taking speed

February 27, 2005 5:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I AM GOING TO GO OUT ON A LIMB AND SAY THAT MEAT IS NONE OTHER THAN PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON HIMSELF!!! Come on guys, get a life and stop ragging on the next mayor of Los Angeles.

February 27, 2005 7:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I saw the same Channel 4 mini-interview, but I was disappointed that the Laurel Ericksen's intro said ADV changed his mind about running for mayor after less than two years (breaking his promise), but that he "cleared" it with constituents before announcing his candidacy. What a crock! He did look pretty out of it, though, but said he's "running a marathon." Attention Deficit Villaraigosa doesn't have the focus to stick to anything for 26 minutes, let alone 26 miles!

February 27, 2005 8:51 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"Come on guys, get a life and stop ragging on the next mayor of Los Angeles."

Glad you think meat will be the next mayor, out-on-a-limb person. However, he'd better come up with a better platform and campaign people than his idol if he wants to win.

February 27, 2005 8:58 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Well it seem's like Ms.Ruiz and her ADV friend's just don't get it. They first go after Mr.Acosta then they go for the good folks of LA-32. What's Next the Good people of LA that's if Tony win's and becomes mayor."GOD HELP US" Mr.Acosta I thank you stepping up to bat for our community. All I can say is if they want to recall you and they could only get 300 signatures.well we can get you an army of 1000 plus more to help you. COURAGEOUS person like yourself are few but we need more people like you . Keep up the good work and GOD BLESS.

February 27, 2005 10:22 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To the Alliance it really sad to have Ms.Ruiz as part of Alliance. First of all she is still part of her NC but the sad part is the poor girl can't even make up her mind as to what COLOR her hair should be. I will be happy to start a collection for a good hair job. Yes folks it is true all of Tony people do have ADV just look at the hair job on Ms.Ruiz

February 27, 2005 10:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Maybe the facts should be told what really happened Durring the LA32 NC Elections. Cynthia Ruiz was standing on the corner soliciting votes in violation of the 100 feet election rules, she was lucky that the vice unit didn't drive by and confuse her for a 647b P.C.
But so were all the other ADV puppets. H.R.C. ruled that there was violations of the Brown Ac, and collusion on sone voting and appointment to empty seats on the board, and guess what folks, Cynthia Ruiz was part of it. H.R.C.
stated that the board was new and didn't know the Brown Act. Ms. Ruiz
was the Recording Secretary the year before, and Public Works Commissioner who should have know the Brown Act.
Mr.Acosta were you part of this?

February 27, 2005 11:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is it true that tony Villar is trying to win votes in El Sereno by bringing in a new ADV staffer by the name of Armando Hernandez.
Will he be as arrogant as the rest of the staffer that believe that they are running a TACO STAND.

OH SORRY folks, I thought I was talking about Jennie Carreon comming back to El Sereno, WHO THINK'S SHE HAS THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANY TAXPAYER

February 27, 2005 11:59 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Speaking of El Sereno, can someone please tell me on who's campaign side is the owner of EASY ANNA, OPS EASY CARPETS backing for the MAYOR'S ELECTIONS we all know that she had made a tortilla and menudo funraiser for Tony Villar and still made a $ to his campaign,but has been seen all over town, at differt campaign headquarters chowing down their food and wine and leaving $ and each campaign.

February 28, 2005 12:12 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Antonio Campaign:
While driving north on Hunting Dr. earlier today I counted an exorbitant number of campaign signs along the center divider. Is this meant for the careful driver who may not see a sigh or two thereby missing the message. Everyone together now. ANTONIO IS RUNNING FOR MAYOR. I think we all get it now. Or perhaps this is just a cynical way of blowing some of the hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions cluttering up our neighborhood. I am personally embarrassed for the campaign, considering the truly fine people that work for the councilman. The local field office confirmed for me that they in no way are responsible for what I characterized as over kill and assured me that city services will not tolerate advertising of any sort on public property. I refuse to believe that the councilman or his campaign are not aware of this. If readers are concerned about this please phone the campaign office and assert your opinion. Rember to be respectful.
323-262-1724
Michael McGuire
El Sereno

February 28, 2005 12:32 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Antonio Campaign:
While driving north on Hunting Dr. earlier today I counted an exorbitant number of campaign signs along the center divider. Is this meant for the careful driver who may not see a sigh or two thereby missing the message. Everyone together now. ANTONIO IS RUNNING FOR MAYOR. I think we all get it now. Or perhaps this is just a cynical way of blowing some of the hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions cluttering up our neighborhood. I am personally embarrassed for the campaign, considering the truly fine people that work for the councilman. The local field office confirmed for me that they in no way are responsible for what I characterized as over kill and assured me that city services will not tolerate advertising of any sort on public property. I refuse to believe that the councilman or his campaign are not aware of this. If readers are concerned about this please phone the campaign office and assert your opinion. Rember to be respectful.
323-262-1724
Michael McGuire
El Sereno

February 28, 2005 12:32 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To Anonymous your remarks about Ms.Ruiz Hair finally someone had the testicles to bring this subject to life. she either has a home hair job done since she is out of job or has a straight man with ADV and no taste or style to do it. So where dose one sent their contributes and is this a tax write off. MS.Ruiz please stick to a color that is natural in the color charts.

February 28, 2005 12:56 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

what gives in El Sereno it look's like their NC starting with Ms.Ruiz are all a bunch of dysfunctional anmials.Maybe it's time that we have the city controller do audit cause from what we hear didn't your past treasurer resign with no explaintion.......

February 28, 2005 1:12 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

speaking of side kicks We see that Ms.Ruiz has her own side kick no other than ADV Irene Ponce who has been trained to sit, lie, and God knows what ever they want her to do. She even want's to rename El Sereno, West El Sereno just to give the poor slob's somethink about yet try to spell that as she claim's to be better than the rest of her community. Maybe she like to be the first dog lady or is it bitch commissioner for animal services.her battle with the hermon people goes on over the doggy park.I.P. Keep the money coming in to Tony. V. 4 Mayor and maybe he will have your street resurface and get your commissioner seat but rember Tony dosen't keep his WORD.Just ask the Voters of CD-14. now sit oh sorry I thought I was talking to my DOGGY

February 28, 2005 1:49 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MS.Ruiz did you deny the good folks of El Sereno the right to be heard at your Febuary NC General Meeting? Cause from what I saw and the rest of your community you and all the ADV Barrio Trash voted not to hear thier side.Wake up El Sereno take back your NC cause Tony V and all the ADV NC Barrio Trash will use your tax money for thier get togeathers at C.T.Just Like MS.J .Carreon did last month. Dam and we were not invited to this sham of a meeting. Is this Right Mr.Parra? Tony.V, Hired Victor Greigo his old time buddy as the PR Frim on the Vally Connector Road Project who donated to his Mayoral campaign and all of his staff as well. Victor Greigo is the same person that represented Mr.Foot on elehant Hill aganist the community and sued the city of LA. Tony V pay for play at City Hall what makes you better then Jimmy?

February 28, 2005 2:15 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Tony v why did Victor Greigo from your PR Frim (DSO) ask the Concer Citizen of El Sereno to hold off the community meetings on the Valley Connector Road Project till after the Mayor's Race cause this would hurt your chances in the race.Is this another Pay for Play on your Part? Was Ms Ruiz Prevy to this information also since she was a public works commissioner on the project. Is this why Ms.Ruiz voted not to work off both agendas at the last NC Meeting. Why did Tony bring in Big Lisa and LAPD to threaten to shut down the Meeting and also move Public Comment to the end of the agenda? WE ARE NOT BARRIO TRASH LIKE SOME OF THE NC BOARD MEMBERS AND YOUR ADV STAFF(LISA)

February 28, 2005 2:37 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hahn did actually get in a pretty good zinger when he was interviewed by Channel 4's Laurel E. on the weekend -- said L.A. has enough "actors" -- they don't need to have one for mayor. Wonder who he was referring to?

February 28, 2005 5:48 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Let's get it stright, Hahn Eastside Rep Terry is no air head, nor did she conspirer in the past doing stuff behind the backs of the LA-32 E-Board. She was just doing her civil service job with a smile, not an attitude or ADV.
She needed to come into El Sereno and do the job that Tony Villar is
not qualified to do, in that case
neither are the pupets of the ADV LA-32 NC that belong to ANTONIO who have given him $4500 of NC money to make him look good without the make-up.I say that the Mayory's Rep. Terry V should be our councilwomen, she has more testicles tham Tony Villar and his puppets of ADV.

February 28, 2005 9:41 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Looks like this blog has become the official site of anonymous bloggers from East LA, Eagle Rock, and surrounding communities

It would have been great if we could talk about Valley and Westside issues, but i guess not. I'll be taking my blogging elsewhere

February 28, 2005 11:18 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

YOU GO EASTSIDE WE NEED TO HEAR MORE OF HAIR JOBS AND WHERE ARE MONEY IS GOING. IT SURE IS SAD THAT WENT IT COMES TO NC IN THE EASTSIDE THAT THEY ARE FOLLOW THIER ADV COUNCILMEMBER STYLE OF BEING CROOKS.

February 28, 2005 11:36 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Westside is BORE-ing. A bunch a NIMBY nerds complaining because the city won't let them gate their communities and build higher walls. Sheesh!

February 28, 2005 12:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHERE TO SENT MONEY FOR THE CRY-BABY ASS KISSER ADV MS.RUIZ? OR IS SHE GOING TO USE NC MONEY LIKE ADV TONY? LET'S HOPE THAT THE BARRIO TRASH NC "YES LINDA YOU WILL ALWAY'S BE BARRIO TRASH LIKE I CALLED YOUR NC AT THE LAST MEETING" AND THIS IS ONLY THE NICE WORDS THAT WE THINK ABOUT YOUR NC TOO BAD THAT YOU ALL DON'T STEP DOWN. CAUSE AS BARRIO CLOWNS YOU COULD EARN SOME REALLY HARD DRUG CASH..

AND USE THAT MONEY TO GET MS.RUIZ A GOOD HAIR COLOR AND MAKE UP THAT GOES WITH HER SKIN TONES. BY THE WAY MS. RUIZ PLEASE REMOVE YOUR TRASH FROM YOUR LAWN YOU ARE BRING DOWN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OH SORRY ONCE A BARRIO TRASH ALWAYS A BARRIO TRASH. WELL THIER GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD. TAKE THE SIGNS DOWN THAT ARE ON THE WALK WAY. BUT YOU DID MISS MONDAYS TRASH PICK UP

February 28, 2005 2:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHERE TO SENT MONEY FOR THE CRY-BABY ASS KISSER ADV MS.RUIZ? OR IS SHE GOING TO USE NC MONEY LIKE ADV TONY? LET'S HOPE THAT THE BARRIO TRASH NC "YES LINDA YOU WILL ALWAY'S BE BARRIO TRASH LIKE I CALLED YOUR NC AT THE LAST MEETING" AND THIS IS ONLY THE NICE WORDS THAT WE THINK ABOUT YOUR NC TOO BAD THAT YOU ALL DON'T STEP DOWN. CAUSE AS BARRIO CLOWNS YOU COULD EARN SOME REALLY HARD DRUG CASH..

AND USE THAT MONEY TO GET MS.RUIZ A GOOD HAIR COLOR AND MAKE UP THAT GOES WITH HER SKIN TONES. BY THE WAY MS. RUIZ PLEASE REMOVE YOUR TRASH FROM YOUR LAWN YOU ARE BRING DOWN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OH SORRY ONCE A BARRIO TRASH ALWAYS A BARRIO TRASH. WELL THIER GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD. TAKE THE SIGNS DOWN THAT ARE ON THE WALK WAY. BUT YOU DID MISS MONDAYS TRASH PICK UP

February 28, 2005 2:34 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHERE TO SENT MONEY FOR THE CRY-BABY ASS KISSER ADV MS.RUIZ? OR IS SHE GOING TO USE NC MONEY LIKE ADV TONY? LET'S HOPE THAT THE BARRIO TRASH NC "YES LINDA YOU WILL ALWAY'S BE BARRIO TRASH LIKE I CALLED YOUR NC AT THE LAST MEETING" AND THIS IS ONLY THE NICE WORDS THAT WE THINK ABOUT YOUR NC TOO BAD THAT YOU ALL DON'T STEP DOWN. CAUSE AS BARRIO CLOWNS YOU COULD EARN SOME REALLY HARD DRUG CASH..

AND USE THAT MONEY TO GET MS.RUIZ A GOOD HAIR COLOR AND MAKE UP THAT GOES WITH HER SKIN TONES. BY THE WAY MS. RUIZ PLEASE REMOVE YOUR TRASH FROM YOUR LAWN YOU ARE BRING DOWN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OH SORRY ONCE A BARRIO TRASH ALWAYS A BARRIO TRASH. WELL THIER GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD. TAKE THE SIGNS DOWN THAT ARE ON THE WALK WAY. BUT YOU DID MISS MONDAYS TRASH PICK UP

February 28, 2005 2:35 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHERE TO SENT MONEY FOR THE CRY-BABY ASS KISSER ADV MS.RUIZ? OR IS SHE GOING TO USE NC MONEY LIKE ADV TONY? LET'S HOPE THAT THE BARRIO TRASH NC "YES LINDA YOU WILL ALWAY'S BE BARRIO TRASH LIKE I CALLED YOUR NC AT THE LAST MEETING" AND THIS IS ONLY THE NICE WORDS THAT WE THINK ABOUT YOUR NC TOO BAD THAT YOU ALL DON'T STEP DOWN. CAUSE AS BARRIO CLOWNS YOU COULD EARN SOME REALLY HARD DRUG CASH..

AND USE THAT MONEY TO GET MS.RUIZ A GOOD HAIR COLOR AND MAKE UP THAT GOES WITH HER SKIN TONES. BY THE WAY MS. RUIZ PLEASE REMOVE YOUR TRASH FROM YOUR LAWN YOU ARE BRING DOWN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OH SORRY ONCE A BARRIO TRASH ALWAYS A BARRIO TRASH. WELL THIER GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD. TAKE THE SIGNS DOWN THAT ARE ON THE WALK WAY. BUT YOU DID MISS MONDAYS TRASH PICK UP

February 28, 2005 2:35 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHERE TO SENT MONEY FOR THE CRY-BABY ASS KISSER ADV MS.RUIZ? OR IS SHE GOING TO USE NC MONEY LIKE ADV TONY? LET'S HOPE THAT THE BARRIO TRASH NC "YES LINDA YOU WILL ALWAY'S BE BARRIO TRASH LIKE I CALLED YOUR NC AT THE LAST MEETING" AND THIS IS ONLY THE NICE WORDS THAT WE THINK ABOUT YOUR NC TOO BAD THAT YOU ALL DON'T STEP DOWN. CAUSE AS BARRIO CLOWNS YOU COULD EARN SOME REALLY HARD DRUG CASH..

AND USE THAT MONEY TO GET MS.RUIZ A GOOD HAIR COLOR AND MAKE UP THAT GOES WITH HER SKIN TONES. BY THE WAY MS. RUIZ PLEASE REMOVE YOUR TRASH FROM YOUR LAWN YOU ARE BRING DOWN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OH SORRY ONCE A BARRIO TRASH ALWAYS A BARRIO TRASH. WELL THIER GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD. TAKE THE SIGNS DOWN THAT ARE ON THE WALK WAY. BUT YOU DID MISS MONDAYS TRASH PICK UP

February 28, 2005 2:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHERE TO SENT MONEY FOR THE CRY-BABY ASS KISSER ADV MS.RUIZ? OR IS SHE GOING TO USE NC MONEY LIKE ADV TONY? LET'S HOPE THAT THE BARRIO TRASH NC "YES LINDA YOU WILL ALWAY'S BE BARRIO TRASH LIKE I CALLED YOUR NC AT THE LAST MEETING" AND THIS IS ONLY THE NICE WORDS THAT WE THINK ABOUT YOUR NC TOO BAD THAT YOU ALL DON'T STEP DOWN. CAUSE AS BARRIO CLOWNS YOU COULD EARN SOME REALLY HARD DRUG CASH..

AND USE THAT MONEY TO GET MS.RUIZ A GOOD HAIR COLOR AND MAKE UP THAT GOES WITH HER SKIN TONES. BY THE WAY MS. RUIZ PLEASE REMOVE YOUR TRASH FROM YOUR LAWN YOU ARE BRING DOWN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OH SORRY ONCE A BARRIO TRASH ALWAYS A BARRIO TRASH. WELL THIER GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD. TAKE THE SIGNS DOWN THAT ARE ON THE WALK WAY. BUT YOU DID MISS MONDAYS TRASH PICK UP

February 28, 2005 2:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHERE TO SENT MONEY FOR THE CRY-BABY ASS KISSER ADV MS.RUIZ? OR IS SHE GOING TO USE NC MONEY LIKE ADV TONY? LET'S HOPE THAT THE BARRIO TRASH NC "YES LINDA YOU WILL ALWAY'S BE BARRIO TRASH LIKE I CALLED YOUR NC AT THE LAST MEETING" AND THIS IS ONLY THE NICE WORDS THAT WE THINK ABOUT YOUR NC TOO BAD THAT YOU ALL DON'T STEP DOWN. CAUSE AS BARRIO CLOWNS YOU COULD EARN SOME REALLY HARD DRUG CASH..

AND USE THAT MONEY TO GET MS.RUIZ A GOOD HAIR COLOR AND MAKE UP THAT GOES WITH HER SKIN TONES. BY THE WAY MS. RUIZ PLEASE REMOVE YOUR TRASH FROM YOUR LAWN YOU ARE BRING DOWN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OH SORRY ONCE A BARRIO TRASH ALWAYS A BARRIO TRASH. WELL THIER GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD. TAKE THE SIGNS DOWN THAT ARE ON THE WALK WAY. BUT YOU DID MISS MONDAYS TRASH PICK UP

February 28, 2005 2:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

FROM MEAT:

And some people wonder why i call you guys dum-dums.

blog away.

February 28, 2005 3:03 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I am anti Villaraigosa, pro the recall but I don't think we should be bashing Cynthia Ruiz. The recall is about a broken promise and bad service to our community by Antonio Villaraigosa. That's why I am supporting the recall, anyway. It's not about Villaraigosa's personal life or Ms. Ruiz and whatever role she plays in or out of the Alliance of Neighborhood Councils.

February 28, 2005 3:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To previous posters please blog something substantial. You're embarrassing all of us. This blog wasn't so hateful until you came on. People who are intelligent and mature don't put such posts on here. Stick to issues and we can have a good debate. Otherwise go to Walter Moore's website and leave your high school posts

February 28, 2005 3:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Must be on of MAYOR SAM's silent partners with veto power. . .

March 01, 2005 12:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

HEY FOLKS GUESS WHAT I HAVE JUST SIGN. THE RECALL PETITIONS FOR ADV TONY ARE OUT AND THEY ARE MOVING VERY FAST AS A MATTER A FACT I GOT 200 PEOPLE TO SIGN THIS RECALL IN 10 MINUTES. GEE I GUESS THE NEXT THINK ALL OF THE ADV PEOPLE WILL SAY THAT WE ALL CAME FROM MARS. LET'S ROLL AND SIGN THESE PETETIONS AND SENT HIM AND ALL HIS USELESS ADV STAFF PACKING. MAYBE THEY CAN ALL LOOK FOR JOBS IN SOME 3RD WORLD COUNTRY.

March 04, 2005 4:35 PM  

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