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Tuesday, January 18, 2011

Day 2 of Councilman Jose Huizar's "Listgate", All lists are now public

Bloggers raining responses to Councilman Jose Huizar's "Listgate". What bombs will explode next in CD 14 City Council Race?

Welcome to Day 2 of Councilman Jose "Charro Huizzy Corleone" Huizar's Listgate.

Yesterday's Los Angeles Times story by David Zahniser set off a firestorm of comments here at Mayor Sam and multiple posts of commentary from throughout the local political bloggersphere.

This morning, the Rudy Martinez Campaign released the Boyle Heights and El Sereno copies of the "Constituent Discrimination Lists". The LA times had posted the Northeast LA list online yesterday. Below, we provide the links to the respective list with samples of notable community member's "loyalty 3 to -3" and "influence 0-5" scores.

Boyle Heights List (loyalty and influence score):

Father Greg Boyle, HomeBoy Industries (1 and 2). Monsignor John Moretta, Resurrection Church (2 and 5). The late Ross Valencia, Veteran's Association (1 and 1). Sal Martinez, Hollenbeck CPAB (3 and 1). Gail Minnifield, Recreation Supervisor (2 and 3). Jose Aguilar, BHNC (** -3 and 1) . Monica Harmon, N/A (-1 and 1). Cesar Calderon, Executive Director SEA (3 and 3). Maria Brenes, Inner City Struggle (2 and 4). Raul Estrada, El Centro de Ayudo (2 and 2). ** "-3 Aguilar" got the same score as Johnny Jay Jimenez.

El Sereno List:

Cynthia Ruiz, El Sereno Resident (2 and 2). Rudy Torres, President of El Sereno Chamber of Commerce (3 and 2). Eddie Santillon, Honorary Mayor of El Sereno (3 and 2). LAPD Officer Steve Morales, Senior Lead Officer (3 and 4). Arturo Durado, Principal of El Sereno Middle School (2 and 4). Heidi Acosta, Principal of Sierra Vista Elementary (3 and 3). Anthony Manzano, LA 32 NC (3 and 1). LAPD Officer Oscar Cassini, Senior Lead Officer (2 and 3). Angie De La Torre, LA 32 NC/ El Sereno Farmers Market (3 and 2). Julio Torres, Our Town Magazine (** 3 and 5). ** Only perfect score from all the lists.

Northeast LA List:

Tom Topping, Boulevard Sentinel (-1 and 3). Eliot Sekuler, ASNC (2 and 3). Everett Sarabia, Eagle Rock Neighborhood Watch (-3 and 1). Bradley, GPNC (1 and 2). Augie Barajas, Paster Victory Outreach (3 and 2). Carol Jacques, Northeast Democrats (3 and 3). Bill Rumble, Northeast Democrats (3 and 3). Raul Macias, AYSA (2 and 1). Daniel Wright, President MWHA (-3 and 2). Rudy Martinez, Mia Sushi (3 and 3).

If you have time, link to the respective CLARTS Fund listings from Councilman Huizar's website and the CLARTS allocations posted by the City Maven, to judge for yourself if Listgate connects to CLARTSgate. More on that in the Future.

** Councilman Charro Huizzy Corleone's most recent statement regarding Listgate was posted at 12:37PM in the comment section.

** From Tony Butka at NELA Lives: "Councilman Huizar's Door Knocker".

** From the LA Daily Blog: "Jose Huizar thinks he Santa Clause".

A Missing List? Hearing rumbles about a secret Downtown Donor List.

Your thoughts..............

Scott Johnson in CD 14

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Anonymous Anonymous said:

"This morning, the Rudy Martinez Campaign released the Boyle Heights and El Sereno copies of the "Constituent Discrimination Lists".

1) No, the released them yesterday.

2) the actually released the "El Serreno" list, Rud Spit?

(Are you sure your not moonlighting over there as their data entry person?)

3) Last chance to explain why they removed ALL the non-positive people from the ES list.

What was so embarrassing on their for you, or your ratty colleague on LA32 that you had to ask them to redact MOST of the names and rankings?

January 18, 2011 10:50 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Really no way to make friends, Rudy M.

Posting the private phone numbers and e-mails of people on the El Sereno list, on the INTERNET. So they can descend into spam hell, at your invitation?

Is that your way of punishing your enemies... the people who wouldn't even take your weeks and weeks of pleading calls for support?

Those numbers, etc. were not "german" to the posting of the lists, and that wasn't included on any others.

How "discriminating" of you. Is this the kind of disdain we can expected when you (never) get in office?

You've probably pissed off more people in the middle of district by doing that than by smalling Huizar. There are probably unlisted humbers there, serious privacy issues, personal identity concerns, potential cyber-stalking issues.

Did they not teach you ANYTHING at the police station when you weren't stealing badges?

What a MORON!

January 18, 2011 10:58 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Wow, looks like most of the movers and shakers in Boyle Heights are also supportive of Huizar.

Why would anyone who wasn't desperately almost out of the race already - like Rudy, release lists that PROVED that Huizar in overwhelmingly supported by volunteer leaders and opinion makers, as well as police and fire.

(Wait, I though Rudy was a "police" guy? Apparently word got back to Northeast and Hollenbeck that he was trying to pretend he was one of them to avoid the embarrasment of getting beat up in a bar fight in Pasadena).

January 18, 2011 11:01 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The infamous and omni-skulking Carlos Morales, the editor of teh ONLY newspaper in El Sereno isn't even rated on the list?

The guy who pounded on them for the CLARTS details?

Maybe that's why they never responded... no one's ever even HEARD of him.

January 18, 2011 11:03 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I hope some of these Huizar supporters file a class action against Rudy's "rich" campaign for invasion of privacy... revealing personal contact information that was only provided to the council office in good faith, to help them work together for the benefit of their communities.

That's really low. Obviously Rudy knows by now he CAN'T win, and he's just seeking retribution for Huizar firing his mother. (But what could he do?)

Otherwise he wouldn't be burning any possible bridges with the leaders of the communities in CD14.

January 18, 2011 11:06 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

This is hilarious! Desperation at it's finest from the Martinez camp. Communities can thrive but there are always some morons out there with nothing better to do than to start trouble. Go back your moms basement and stay there losers!

January 18, 2011 11:19 AM  

Blogger Phil Genderbong said:

Red Spot,

You KNOW that I like your moxie, so I want to reiterate that UP FRONT in this comment, because I do know you're somewhat sensitive to criticism.

But it's important to know that I, and some others, who commented yesterday ARE concerned about your stretching the truth (to phrase it kindly) or the lack of thoroughness which you tend to forget in your zeal to write something funny and be the first one to do it.

So once again, I would caution you to know that you need to work on restoring a sense of trust that we can rely on. You've made plenty of mistakes when you instead focus on name calling.

Finally just to remind you that I have a tremendous distate for Huizar, but am equally concerned about Rudy, and the fact that "NOONE" else in the District can find a better candidate than either of these folks.

Also, keep in mind that ALL politicians keep such lists, even those who deny it in the LA Times.

P. Genderbong, III

January 18, 2011 11:26 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'm posting "pro" Huizar here.

I've had no contact with his campaign.

I haven't been "told" or "rallied" to do so out of their worry and panic -- lets get past that standard-issue bilge put out by the Huizar-haters who can't keep up inellectually to even respond with a better answer than to say this is "spin."

(In fact, it Huizar's campaign knew how to get hold of me, they might even tell me to stop - and just let it all die quickly). But, fortunately I'm not on the "lists" and so my private phone number isn't now "public property" like so many others. Thanks! Rudy. I'll remember to constantly remind the people I know on these lists that is was their "wannabe" future CM that exposed their private information like this.

Thank mommy, too. Obviously she was a "valued" City employee who will be sorely missed in the field office. You steal police badges, she steals private personal information on private citizens for you to vomit out for personal gain!

(And, for the record, Parque is an ass, and Trujillo doesn't even rise to that level. But for now Huizar is the hands-down best option for CD14.)

January 18, 2011 11:29 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Obvious why Zahniser only posted the Northeast List at LA Times.

The other lists disprove the idea that "enemies" were tracked more recently than Huizar said in his response.

Whatever you do, don't spoil a good front-of-the-section byline possibility by going full disclosure that this is, indeed, very OLD NEWS. Given all that, his editors would probably have pushed it off to 1 3-paragraph "brief" and online only.

Way to "splice" the truth their Zahniser.

January 18, 2011 11:37 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Reed Spit, let me just make sure if your intent is obvious to all here with the picture used on this post.

Much like the "target" images on the Palin Website showing the U.S. Rep who was hot a few weeks ago, you're calling for the crazies of CD14 (and there are PLENTY), to actually launch an attack, right?

And, if some rabid mini-redspotter throws an actual explosive (not figurative) BOMB at our sitting councilmember next week, injuring bystanders, etc. you'll take full responsility for the warlike aggressive images used to portray this campaign.


(I just want to save you the time of having to be interviewed by police and media afterwards. Lets get this all down in writing, now...).

January 18, 2011 11:41 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

..."inellectually" was of course a hat-tip to the grate illiterate one, here.

January 18, 2011 11:42 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Tell your buddies at Martinez HQ to release the ENTIRE el Sereno list, even if it does embarrass you.

They said they'd be transparent.

January 18, 2011 11:51 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Yes, bombs away on Huizar, nuke him and give Red Spot the credit for the increase in violent.

January 18, 2011 11:53 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Did the Huizar-haters take TODAY off as the MLK day?

On most other blogs that cover CD14 (not from the WEST side), this is still a non-issue, even on day 2, after the vacation.

Rudy shoots blanks!

January 18, 2011 11:54 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


"Red Spot, ... because I do know you're somewhat sensitive to criticism."

Wow that's an understatement. Scott makes Huizar look thick-skinned.

January 18, 2011 11:56 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"Word on the street is" (heh, heh - I just wanted to say that like the lame poster here that always pretends he knows something "inside"). "Word" is Red Spot is despondent. Two - not-even near - misses with what he thought would be crippling to Huizar's campaign, and not even a dent.

For fans of old action flicks, this is the formulaic point in the film where the shooter empties his gun and still can't hit his opponent, and so he deparately THROWS the empty gun which also misses, and then goes down for the last sunset.

January 18, 2011 12:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Huizar's lists - not so damning, but it is a shame to see that council staff is nearly as illiterate as the guy who keeps slamming them here.

Maybe Huizar should have used some CLARKS funds to get them some remedial grammar lessons (and maybe Red Spot could audit the course with them)?

January 18, 2011 12:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'm sure the LAPD can't like Huizar's association with Father Boyle, Boyle being a "gang sympathizer" and all...LOL

January 18, 2011 12:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

A++ for improvement in El Sereno, council staff.

Hell, the last councilmember had hundreds of "enemies" in that part of the district, and Huizar has none.

I'm very impressed. Give them another "CLARKS" raise! 100 percent constituent satisfaction.

January 18, 2011 12:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

HUIZAR'S response to supporters, this a.m.:

"Dear Friend;

I have been truly honored to represent you on the City Council. I am up for re-election on March 8 and my opponent, Rudy Martinez, has recently sent out a completely false email making some pretty wild charges against me.

The email from Mr. Martinez makes reference to a list of community leaders, institutions, and organizations in the 14th City Council District. The list was put together by a former staff member who worked in my office and was intended to be a simple way of making sure that my office stayed in touch with community leaders and groups.

While the list has not been used in years, it was not, as my opponent claimed, some kind of Nixonian “enemies list.” It most definitely was not used to determine who received services, or had their potholes filled. Mr. Martinez cannot cite one single example of the misuse of that list for any purpose. Not one.

I am very proud of the strong working relationship I have with every community in the 14th Council District. By staying in touch with people and listening to their concerns, we have been able to do some great things. I am particularly proud of our work to reduce crime and gang violence, to complete the Eastside Gold Line extension, to preserve open space and protect our hillsides from overdevelopment, to create job training programs for our youth, and to build top quality new schools in our community.

If you would like to see a list of some of my accomplishments as your City Councilmember, please click here.

I am honored that the vast majority of community leaders in the 14th Council District are supporting me for re-election. For list of my endorsers click here.

If you have any questions about the charges being made by my opponent, or on any topic concerning my work, please email me at huizarforcitycouncil@gmail.com.

Thank you.

Jose Huizar

January 18, 2011 12:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Promoting violence against Huziar, Scott?

That's dumber than dumbest. I've captured the screen on that for the right occasion to pass it along.

January 18, 2011 12:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Just received Huizar's explanation about the list and it has less holes in it than Rudy's about the "lost" police badge.

January 18, 2011 12:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Jose Aguilar, BHNC (** -3 and 1) .

You know, it's really annoying* when you put little asterisks somewhere** that don't mean anything, or lead anywhere.***

* What's that about?

** Lose your place?

January 18, 2011 1:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Those "widow-maker' bombs shown there?

Do you really hate Huizar (and family) that much?

January 18, 2011 1:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

11:41 a.m.

Geez, really? Do you not get a newspaper, or do you just have short-term memory loss?

After everything this country has been through in recent weeks, you portray raining bombs during an election? Bombs, explosive devices? Damn, that is really uncalled for.

Red Spot's hopeless Higby, but you??

January 18, 2011 1:03 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Marie Salas (aka Hugos Sidekick)

January 18, 2011 1:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'm with Red Spot.


Palin-hu Akbar!!

January 18, 2011 1:08 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Apparently you have. LOL

January 18, 2011 1:09 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


LAPD will probably be even more pissed about Huizar's staff "rating" the SLO's support of Huizar. They're supposed to alway appear neutral in politics.

That's probably the most damning entries on this list.

Apparently LAFD isn't all that pissed about not getting funds to avoid station blackouts.

January 18, 2011 1:11 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

We had "tail gunner Joe" during the McCarthy era.

Here we get "bombadier Scott" (or maybe it's "suicide bomber Soctt?")

January 18, 2011 1:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:




January 18, 2011 1:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Still not even tiny bit of reverb or resentment from Huizar's long list of supporters about these lists, on their local blogs.

It just isn't sticking.

Rudy Rich meets Teflon Huizar, and the fight is called, because "Rudy" just isn't in the same weight class.

Try running for Community College board Mr. Martinez. I understand Red Spot has some "connections" there from when he used to slime the college administration in the weekly student papers.

January 18, 2011 1:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What's the next "trick" up your sleeve, Hacopian?

The Huizar-haters amassed at Rudy Rich's "kiddy" party are getting a little restless with this floundering magic act.

The rabbit was dead before you pulled it out of the hat, and the lady you (literally) cut in half appears to have been Rudy's mom - whose reputation probably can't be put back together.

I hope the final "act" doesn't backfire - especially if it involves live doves. There's a very popular Audubon center pretty near CD14 and some of the constituents will be real pissed if those birdies drop dead on stage, too.

January 18, 2011 1:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


You need to look into the proper order of "cause" and "effect" before you try connecting any dots.

That, or go to work for the people still pushing "global warming" (while attending conferences during worst-ever blizzards).

You may have to come up with some instances of people "negative" on Huizar who were told "no" when they requested funds for projects.

I don't know of any, and in all the months of this blog pointing fingers and claiming others were getting "special" treatment for being "connected," I can't recall a single accusation like that . . . just the partisan, election lead-in, jealous yammering a of few malcontents who always wait until the amenities funds are actually spent and then start yelling: "THAT WAS WRONG!"

You may be imagining an egg "laying" a chicken in your little fantasy there.

January 18, 2011 2:18 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Some major media points in L.A. have now been alerted to the "bomb threat" Red Spot's posted here against an elected official.

Can you hear the footsteps coming down the hall, Scottie boy?

Close your door, turn out the lights, and pretend you're still at lunch (probably are).

Next the links will be sent to law enforcement - the kind that will break down that door, dude!

Doesn't the concept of "way too f*cking soon" after Tucson mean anything to you?

January 18, 2011 2:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Forget the kiddies, 1:31 p.m.

If I was the guy paying $150,000 out of his own pocket for this magic act, I'd be really pissed.

I'd be getting ready to make the magician "disappear" myself.

January 18, 2011 2:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Does Hacopian have a severance package built into Rudy's campaign funds?

This reminds me of when Pacheco and a handful of hired hands rolled City black barrels down the street to protest in front of Villaraigosa or Huizar.

Pretty sad. With a dozen other candidates in the race, to pull votes away from the leader, they still couldn't even drive him into a runoff.

January 18, 2011 2:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Might be time for another parable-sermon here from Higby, to bail out a campaign that needs divine intervention

How about the loaves and fishes one?

How Rudy Martinez, with only a handful of little-fish supporters and far less "bread" that the other guy -- by trashing Huizar and alienating more and more of the big fish community leaders everyday -- is going to miraculously get them to JUMP into his empty basket in time vote for him and unseat Huizar.

Look that one up in the scriptures, Mayor Sam. I believe it's from the "Sermon while you Mount-Me" (cuz' my chances of winning were already screwed!).

January 18, 2011 2:39 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Mr. Spot: J. Edgar Hoover would like a word with you about promoting armed threats to elected officials via the Internet.

You're stepping on about 50 federal statutes as we speak.

And, just for your info, the weather today outside the Leavenworth (Kansas) Federal Pen is a high of 24-degrees, heading into single digits overnight. I assume you some long underwear you can pack quickly?

You'll recognize your cell-mate and accomplice, the Rev. Mayor Sam. I'm sure you'll be able to keep each other warm.

January 18, 2011 2:51 PM  

Blogger Red Spot in CD 14 said:


January 18, 2011 3:02 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Pathetic response Reed Sput. You should work directly for Rudy M.

January 18, 2011 3:10 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Pretty obvious Rudy has no community support. His mother would know who the players were that could bring votes (not just scare them away from the polls like this slime), and so far, no movement towards his camp.

I count at least 15 "negative" numbers on these lists who actually signed up to endorse Huizar anyway.

Those should have been Martinez's "easy pickins'" - but no.

By the next financial reporting period he may be in net-negative numbers.

Dead man (rolling down hill).

January 18, 2011 3:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is this really funny to you, RS? Picturing weapons of death used against a sitting City Councilman?

Jesus H. Christ, I hope the feds do come looking for you.

You're a damn monster!

January 18, 2011 3:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Can 2:51 or anyone else share the "threat"?

Where is it? Don't say it's the reference to campaign bombs.

January 18, 2011 3:18 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Shave your head, Bombadier Scott, and smile real big. It's almost time for your Loughner-esque AP news photo close-up.

At least during the perp-walk some of us will finally get to see what you look like.

BTW, you do have a middle name, don't you? It's usually required for these sort of things... "police arrested Scott Earl-Ray Johnson..."

January 18, 2011 3:22 PM  

Blogger Red Spot in CD 14 said:

Cybertrolling in progress.......

January 18, 2011 3:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Red (Sirhan) Spot says:

"What bombs will explode next in CD 14 City Council Race?"

Bombs, explode? How can you miss that?

How is that any different, maybe worse, than Sarah Palin showing rifle targets on the seats of Dems, including the one who got shot. That consumed a week worth of media finger-pointing, and SHE at least had the sense to change the f*cking graphic once it was pointed out.

This is more than most crazies need to escalate. Seriously.

How stupid are the blog owner here, just days later?

Pathetic, immoral, and disgusting.

January 18, 2011 3:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The only "troll" posting here is the one that would blog about and picture weapons being aimed at a councilmember, while victims of Tucson's massacre are still fighting for their life and the graves of those murdered aren't even cold.

The only answer left could be that you really do want to see Huizar and his family harmed.

January 18, 2011 3:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Who's that at the door, Scott?

This time it's not somebody's mouthpiece lawyer. The Feds will also sieze you computer and find all the "nasty" stuff on your hard drive.

Mom won't be proud any more.

January 18, 2011 3:34 PM  

Blogger Red Spot in CD 14 said:

Memo to the bloggin drama queen,

I only posted your comments to show what a sad, dull life cybertrolls live. This is especially true when drama trolls like yourself manifest bloggin rubbish.

Your comments have used up its purpose in post. Thus enjoy the remaining sunlight, thats if you can only remove youeself away from the keyboard.

January 18, 2011 3:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

According to AV's people Hacopian is finished.He has been permenantly moved to the "not for hire" column. This will be the end of the evil Armenian midget.

January 18, 2011 3:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

3:43 p.m.

Not if he doesn't mind always representing the "loser" candidate.

Money's still good. There will always be another delusional Rudy Martinez type out there.

January 18, 2011 3:47 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Damn, nobody crowing about having Huizar on the ropes here, after all that buildup.

That "bomb" must have really been a dud.

January 18, 2011 4:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hacopian's problem now is he hasn't just alienated one-half of a council race, he's screwed with people and information for many of the community leaders on the Eastside.

That won't be eaily forgotten either. Hope the play was worth that fork in his own eye. (I mean, don't most people burn bridges AFTER they've crossed over them - not before?).

January 18, 2011 4:02 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Why all the hate here? Was it Rudy or Hacopian that talked Huizar into creating this idiotic list?

If Rudy had done any thing this stupid Huizar's people would have been all over the other side.

I would also highly doubt this is the last bomb Hacopian has to drop in this race {Even thought this is a damn good one}. Parke is far too smart to underestimate his opponents team in this race.

Bottom line is, all that is being discussed in the media in regards to this campaign are Huizar's problems and not Rudy's.

That is exactly how incumbents lose their seats.

January 18, 2011 4:19 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

4:19 p.m.

"If Rudy had done any thing this stupid Huizar's people would have been all over the other side."

Well, we'll never really know will we. Rudy has about as much chance of being elected as I do.

Only my money's in the bank!

January 18, 2011 4:22 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

No wonder Joe B quit this blog.

January 18, 2011 4:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'm going to start referring to Rudy Martinez as: Meg Whitman 2.0

January 18, 2011 4:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

When did Joe B quit this blog? I must've been yawning when this REASON FOR CELEBRATING happened?????

January 18, 2011 4:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The last incumbent to really lose his seat in Council was Nick Pacheco, and that wasn't why. I know, I supported him.

It was because he had alienated so many of the movers and shakers in the district, I couldn't turn one of them back. The better-liked Villaraigosa capitalized on that and used larger bankrolled contributions to dig out and remind voters of the reasons Pacheco had rubbed people the wrong way.

Then-present day media stories were hardly a factor, although both campaigns did dredge up old media accounts against their opponents and re-played them via direct mail.

There was very little current press at the time about the race - Villaraigosa just presented an alternative to a not-that-popular incumbent.

Huizar is obviously the opposite - very popular, and with only a handful of very loud enemies.

January 18, 2011 4:35 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Im with you, a bit, 4:29, but doesn't "2.0" suggest any improved version.

Maybe he's Whitman 0.5? Only have the "man" she was for the job.

January 18, 2011 4:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Still no hub-bub on the Notheast blogs about this beyond a couple of laughing refrences yesterday. They had their list for 2+ days the e-mail around, and it's just -- dead!

You know those lists, RS, I've seen you repost from them. You know that's where those communities vent things that are becoming major issues. They'll throw 100 messages into whether there should be solar panels on one small hillside, or whether some neighborhood council leader lives in his sub-district.

But these lists are obviously a real non-issue, back home. Just a few of us partisan hacks playing with it here.

(Of course than means you'll post daily threads about it for another 3 weeks, still trying to breathe life into the monster).

The drama queen shouldn't worry so much about bombs. This one misfired big time.

January 18, 2011 4:53 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

That's HILARIOUS. Rudy Rich responds to the Times re: Huizar's explanation of the lists, by saying:

“If Mr. Huizar was in touch with the community, he wouldn’t need to have a list."

If RUDY had any REAL contacts in the district that he wasn't RELATED to, he wouldn't have needed for mama to steal the council database so he could round up the VERY FEW supporters he's managed to peel away from Huizar.

IN TOUCH? Rudy M. told the Times just last week, he couldn't even remember what all four of his ARRESTS and CONVICTIONS were for.

Does anyone but a career criminal REALLY "forget" why they've been hauled in under criminal charges?

Never. What a JOKER.

Who's out of touch?


Who writes his punch lines for him?

January 18, 2011 5:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Eastside incumbents don't get thrown out of office based on things printed in the elitist L.A. Times, or the Westide L.A. Weekly. They are much smaller factors here.

Even local online pubs have limited penetration with the mass of real voters.

Voters in CD14 will base their selection on who they know best, and what's dropped in their mailbox the last 2-3 weeks before the election.

It would take overwhelming campaign funding superiority to move that needle, as it did 8 years ago.

January 18, 2011 5:24 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I won't miss Joe B., but does this mean Mayor Sam's is left only with the "unfair" Higby and the "unbalanced" Red Spot?

Kind of a reverse Fox?

January 18, 2011 5:39 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Who will attack big box development now?

January 18, 2011 5:39 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


By March 8th Rudy is the Councilman and Huizar and Francine are wearing orange jump suits.

January 18, 2011 6:22 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I have been called and walked by Rudy's people and have not seen any activity on Huizar's behalf.

Rudy is out working Huizar big time in Eagle Rock.

January 18, 2011 6:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I don't live in the district but even the Huizar people have to admit the list was a pretty dumb idea.

January 18, 2011 6:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The last incumbent to really lose his seat in Council was Nick Pacheco, and that wasn't why. I know, I supported him.

Yes. We didnt like Villa. We said he would leave. I didnt vote for him or Huizar. but in truth, then and now, they both are using Miami money

"used larger bankrolled contributions to dig out and remind voters of the reasons for the bigger power"""

January 18, 2011 6:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

We're decades past when "walking" a neighborhood can unseat an incumbent, especially one who's been elected twice in landslides. This isn't a year-long presidential race when you can appear in 3 cities every day and get instant coverage for your efforts.

Rudy's trying to stage a 1960 upset in 2011.

He's unknown, 6-7 weeks before the election, trailing in funds, and unwelcome in the homes, e-mails, and one the phone with 95 percent of the decision-movers in teh district. Huizar is known thoughout the district, generally liked and considered acting in the best interets of his constituents. He and his staff have been "walking" Cd14 for the last 6 years.

What's done is done. The race is over.

Rudy needs to focus on hiring bartenders. He'll never employ a council staffer.

January 18, 2011 6:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Most Huizar supporters probably have admitted that privately.

More understand that Rudy Martinez's leaking the stolen material his mother removed from City offices was dumber - but still not as dumb as wasting his own money running for a job he's unelectable in.

January 18, 2011 6:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Huizar bashers here are ignoring the most obvious aspects of these lists.

Rudy needed his mother to steal them, to get in contact with the power brokers in the district that he had no idea of just a few months ago.

But that gambit didn't even begin to work. He failed to sway even a minority of them after working the lists for months. He has less key people support than either Nick Pacheco of Alvin Parra did -- and they were both slaughtered at the polls.

(Many, many of the "negative" Huizar numbers people are even among his endorsers now.)

HECK, most of Red Spot's home NC are on Huizar's list of supporters.

Then Rudy's people decided they had nothing to lose, the lists were useless for their original purpose, the ship was going down, and so they tried to use them to embarrass Huizar - alienating even more community leaders in the process.

The stolen info is now a liability to Rudy's campaign - worse than being cold prospect lists.

What a totally botched campaign. I'd be totally amazed if Rudy can even pull the 30 percent Parra got.

Then, does ANY one believe there will ever be anotehr word in any major media about CLARTS or LISTS.

Never. The window is up until elction and primarily only when pumped by a challenger.

That all ends March 8.

January 18, 2011 6:55 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

It'll at least be some fun to watch Rudy Martinez self-destruct at each debate and candidate's forum.

My March, if he gets rattled enough by the questions, he may admit to the Black Dahlia murder and tell us he was once "allegedly" abducted by aliens.

Forget Meg Whitman. This guy is a political version of Gary Busey.

January 18, 2011 6:58 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Apologies to Sigmund Freud: What is it that Councilman Huizar really wants?

Is he disavowing the "enemies" list or is he supporting it - as a way to get closer to the influentials in his council district?

He blames some poor earlier chief of staff, and says the list hasn't been used for years.

Funny, I thought he confirmed to the Times it was used as recently as 2009.

If Huizar's intention was to get close to the influentials, why wouldn't he still be using the list??

It is Nixonian, Mr. Huizar. And, for every 1 of your supporters blogging here, I would say 20, 30, 40 or 50 times more will be absolutely livid..

THe question is: Can Mr. Martinez get his message out in time?

January 18, 2011 7:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Politicians Unhealthy Alliance with Non-Profits focused on special interest advocacy and corruption.

A power to advance the public happiness involves a discretion which may be misapplied and abused.

The representative's alliance with the non-profit industry is a diseased form of public corruption. Our representative has accumulated several special favorites over his long residency in City Council. Some have greatly benefited from their cozy relationship with our representative. Many non-profit organizations are doing very well during the “Great Recession” the rest of us are currently experiencing. There is no doubt that certain non-profits perform great public services for the most vulnerable in our district, especially during this uncertain period of economic malaise. It is a fact, though, that they receive private donations, and volunteer efforts, from private citizens and businesses residing in the district. This is needed in a local community, neighbors selflessly helping each other out. Although, these functions should be wholly funded and maintained by state, county, municipalities, private individuals, and businesses, with local taxes, not from CLART resources.

January 18, 2011 7:56 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Word is

More Money Laundering Through Non-Profits With Some Help From The Politicians

California. More Non-Profit Corruption. Welcome to the world of non-profit money laundering.

LOS ANGELES It was a redevelopment deal with an unusual form of payment: plain white envelopes stuffed with cash and delivered to a go-between at a preschool.

January 18, 2011 8:02 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I hadn’t seen it that way. To me, it’s corporate money that just happens to be flowing through nonprofits. The nonprofits are, in effect, laundering the corporate money. Yes, that’s strong language. Intentionally. Now that the law of the land allows corporations unlimited spending on campaigns, why else would they bother to move the money through nonprofits unless they want to mask their involvement? The lack of transparency around these organizations provides the donors with unfettered funding opportunities while letting them hide their identities (except when four intrepid reporters spend countless hours digging through document trails). When these nonprofits then spend 50% or more of their money on issue and political ads, it's hard to see them as anything but shills for that money. To me, that's money laundering

Thanks for highlighting this important issue. “Money laundering” is indeed the right term for much of what is going on. Seven figure individual and corporate contributions to political advocacy by 501(c)(4), (c)(6) and (c)(7) organizations are being channeled through those organizations because, for now, the sources of the contributions can be kept confidential.

Your focus on trust and integrity is the heart of the matter. The harm to the charitable/public benefit sector is that every time news stories talk about “nonprofits” being used to launder corporate and foreign contributions, it will further erode public trust in charitable organizations. At its extreme, this kind of collateral damage could lead to calls to tighten restrictions on, or even prohibit, lobbying and advocacy by charitable organizations, (the “ACORNing” of charitable and community organizations?). Never mind the fact that charitable orgs already are absolutely prohibited from supporting or opposing candidates.

January 18, 2011 8:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

This is sort of one of those quiet truths about alot of non-profits. Besides operating as a tax shelter, it's also great for the Board Members who need to give underachieving kids some space to screw around and get their feet wet in management. Hence, there's usually those one or two guys neer the top of many a non-profit that are a little less useful to brickjelly.

There definitely needs to be some sort of standard, perhaps something like an 85/15 rule, where at least 85% of the non-profit's budget has to go to "consumer services."

January 18, 2011 8:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Civil War at the LATC
Former Los Angeles Theatre Center Partners Embroiled in Bitter Lawsuit
by Ryan Vaillancourt


January 18, 2011 8:13 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

A $4 Million MisunderstandingPutsch and pull for Los Angeles Theater Center

"...The challenges facing Latino Theater Company are daunting. The troupe has never run a theater and Valenzuela’s production record is not impressive: three plays in the past nine years. LATC’s lease includes a minimal production" requirement (one play per year in each theater), possibly to avoid the plight of the privately held, 1,200-seat Ricardo Montalban Theater on Vine Street, a refurbished venue that has sat mostly vacant in the wake of mismanagement and the forced closure of its operating company.

January 18, 2011 8:14 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


"What was announced as an open-bid process had become, by the final act, a tainted and disturbing story of the power of political connections. The losing applicant, Tom Gilmore, told L.A.Weekly, “The public process was, without question, an absolute sham.”

Fresno Bee Controversy dogs Campus Pointe project

The first piece of a $200 million mixed-use development at Fresno State should open this summer, even as a legal challenge lingers in court.

Moctesuma Esparza, whose Maya Cinemas will build the theater, was a member of the California State University trustees while Campus Pointe was being planned and discussed. Esparza, who resigned from the board, did not participate in 2007 votes approving the project. Lawyers defend the project's environmental work and approvals, and say Esparza properly disclosed his interest when Maya Cinemas became involved in the project.

January 18, 2011 8:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Moctezuma Esparza
1960's Chicano Movement
Anti Government

Moctezuma Esparza
Fun Loving Capitalist
Sell Out
Takes Advantage of Poor and Latino

Los Angeles City Employee Retirement System

Eric L. Holomon, President
Shelley I. Smith, Vice President
Kelly Candaele
Moctesuma Esparza
Rick Rogers
Ken Spiker
Steven Uranga
Sally Choi
Pension Alliance Consulting

January 18, 2011 8:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Los Angeles had considered filing embezzlement charges against Alejandro Stephens, Huizar had received about $30000 from the Voter Improvement Program for Councilman Jose Huizar's consulting work for a now-defunct nonprofit


January 18, 2011 8:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Feds Investigate Possible Corruption Charges
A federal grand jury has been convened to determine whether Los Angeles City Councilman Jose Huizar and former Board of Education member Dave Tokofsky received bribery payments in the form of improper consulting fees paid by a non-profit organization known as the Voter Improvement Program.
The president of the organization, Miguel Contreras, died in 2005, but is thought to have used the non-profit as a front. Huizar and Tokofsky allegedly received $30,000 payments from the organization in 2003 and 2004. During that time, both men were members of the Los Angeles Unified School District Board of Education. In addition, the organization may have paid $35,000 per year to former State Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez.

January 18, 2011 8:24 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Say what?

The school district is paying the legal fees incurred by board President Garcia in the federal investigation into Councilman Jose Huizar's consulting work for a now defunct nonprofit group linked to organized labor.

January 18, 2011 8:25 PM  

Anonymous trojan2002 said:

6:43... "decision movers".

Any sane person would be against any sitting Clowncil member who has a stamp of approval from a district's "decision mover".

How the hell do you think the city got knee deep in manure?

My thought on CD14, Nick Pacheco was not a good Clowncilman, but compared to Antonio he was a stud.

And by the way, when Huizar was running the first time it was really WHOzar.

Huizar compared to Pacheco. You can't even make that comparison, it's not even close.

SO obviously these "decision movers" are under the influence of something.

January 18, 2011 8:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Is City Controller Wendy Greuel covering for City Councilman Jose Huizar


Los Angeles, CA. According to 33 year veteran gang specialist and retired L.A. Sheriff's Sergeant Richard Valdemar, Mexican drug cartels have infiltrated city councils and political campaigns in many small cities in Los Angeles County. Full Disclosure NetworkT presents a FREE nine minute preview from Part 3 in a series of interviews with Valdemar covering the impact of the Mexican Mafia gangs, drug cartels and illegal aliens in American cities. Available FREE on the internet, 24/7, on demand, as a public service.

Summary of Part 3 of the Valdemar interview series:

Valdemar cited the following cities as having been infiltrated by the Mexican drug cartels: Lynwood, Bell Gardens, Hawaiian Gardens, South Gate, Huntington Park., Vernon, Cudahy.
Drug cartels set up phony businesses to launder drug money, usually used car lots, used tire shops that serve as a "front" for their operations.
Valdemar says it all starts when a small business, like a restaurant, is purchased by someone with drug money from Mexico, who sets up shop and starts inviting the city fathers to come for complimentary or discounted meals.
Then invitations are extended to local police and other government officials, until the business operator is well established, with powerful friends.
Drug money is used to send out smear campaign literature to destroy reputations of incumbent city council members and to finance the campaigns of challengers whose goal is to get a majority voting block on the city council.
Once the drug cartel controls the city council, they fire the city attorney, city manager and start giving out contracts, like the trash collection contract, to their cronies.

January 18, 2011 8:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Don't waste your time posting a million comments trying to make it appear as though all these people are so outraged that Rudy released the list. You have this comment section and the story on Huizar's List was in L.A. Times. You lose that one.

January 18, 2011 8:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Michael, What happened to Joe B? You owe us an explanation as to why he is no longer a contributor here.

January 18, 2011 10:41 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Huizar's people should shut up so this story will go away. What makes them think keeping this story going is helpful to them?

January 18, 2011 11:09 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

January 18, 2011 8:29pm author explained the reality of Los Angeles City politics. The cartel is the Mayor and Antonio and Jose are the water boys. Oh yes there are female politicians alike who like the males represent local, state and federal offices too. Richard Alatorre is one of the Godfathers that is still around. Right Antonio?

January 18, 2011 11:27 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

For those in denial of Huizar’s wrongdoing, look at all the facts from the list to the CLARTS FUND transactions. It is not difficult to understand that paying salaries from the CLARTS FUNDS is wrong, this is above and beyond their own regular salaries from the city, and pension plans totaling almost three million dollars as overhead cost, during a economic down fall and budget crisis, when Police, Fireman and paramedics are forced to take time off with out pay. Putting people in danger, and without emergency services, people die. This is the CLARTS Funds should be used. In addition, why is Huizar paying for LAPD overtime from the CLARTS fund? Double dipping, our trash rate increase to pay for LAPD, and now monies from the CLARTS funds paying police officers for overtime. This is just some of the transactions that are in question.

BHlisted and rated 1 and 2 .

January 19, 2011 1:36 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

8:30 p.m.

Try to keep up. No one is working for "Turd-jillo".

The L.A. Times hasn't been a major factor in how L.A.'s Eastside voted since Boyle Heights was a Jewish community.

The election is over and Rudy M. is back to hiring dishwashers for his retaurants,

All that's left is the Monday morning quarterbacking about why.

January 19, 2011 3:43 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

OMG!@# Parke Skelton must be reeling trying to figure out what to do now. Contrary to what the Huizy groupies are posting on here the release of these lists has people fuming. LA Weekly "Informer" has the best analysis, Its odd a lot of the non profits support Huizar on list with 3's are the agencies that take care of illegal immigrants. Nativo Lopez Hermandad Mexicana Nacional on the list is the MAPA president who was indicted on 4 felonies for Voter Fraud. Immigrant-rights activist and former Santa Ana schools trustee Nativo Lopez was jailed in Los Angeles Thursday after being indicted by the grand jury there for eight felony counts alleging voter fraud.

On June 25, 2009, Lopez was charged by the LA District Attorney’s office with four felonies: fraudulent voter registration, fraudulent document filing, perjury and fraudulent voting. Lopez allegedly leased office space in Boyle Heights and registered to vote using that address although he lived with his family in Orange County

January 19, 2011 6:11 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

From what I read on other blogs, the title of this post is incorrect. "all lists" are NOT public. Zanhiser held back an El Sereno and a Boyle Heights list.

Any other news about this?

January 19, 2011 9:14 AM  

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