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Saturday, February 19, 2005

Hertzberg-Villaraigosa Race Shaping Up

HertzbergAntonioMore and more the signs are pointing to Jim Hahn not making the runoff (man talk about getting recalled!) and we're headed towards a Hertzberg-Villaraigosa contest in May.

First off - as detailed in Chief Parker's blogosphere scoop - tomorrow the Los Angeles Times will come out and endorse both the Hugman and Tony V. Coupled with the Times non-endorsement of Hahn last week and the Daily News' endorsement of Hertzberg, this has to be devastating for the Mayor. (It should be pointed that here on the Sister City we not only had the item well before any blog reported the Times' endorsement story - but we had the actual endorsement editorial which as I type they do not have and are promising tomorrow.)

Secondly, LA Voice is reporting that an internal Villaraigosa poll puts Antonio at 27%, Hertzberg at 25% and the Mayor at a dismal 20%. LA Voice points out that in the current LA Weekly, Harold Meyerson writes that he thinks the Mayor won't make the runoff.

All in all - there should be lots of screaming in San Pedro tonight, cheering in Sherman Oaks and Mount Washington all weekend and even more yelling on the third floor on Monday. Stay tuned.


Anonymous Anonymous said:

Mayor Sam - you got your wish. Will you at least give Julie a letter of recommendation for her job search?

February 19, 2005 5:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

If this is true and it works out this way, Mayor Hahn must kick himself for having one of the worst campaigns I have ever seen. What was he thinking?

February 19, 2005 6:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Please..its not over til the fat lady sings. ADV is hoping all his lies don't come back to haunt him. I can see the same strategy that happened in 2001. As soon as all the negative ads come out and people see ADV for what he really is a lazy sleazy politican who doesn't care about anyone but himself. The fact that he ignored his own community's wishes on the sales tax initiative says why he will never be Mayor of LA. Keep dreaming MEAT. You can spin all you want. Intelligent Angelenos know better and are waiting for our celebration day.

February 19, 2005 6:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Former Villaraigosa supporters are speaking in support of the recall this week. Look out Antonio.

February 19, 2005 6:48 PM  

Blogger dgarzila said:

Well it looks like antonio really wants the mayors job. At least he is showing that he really wants it. To me that is importatn if he becomes Mayor , somone who wants the job as averse to someone who doesn't. What can this guy do in 8 years? Cause you know he will be an 8 year mayor, You know. I wonder why we have all been giving hima hard time this time?

I think it has to do with the fact that he said he wasn't going to run for mayor and then changed his mind. Most people I know look at if these people have "palabra" .

I watched he news today and saw him doing a home makeover and the message we need to send to Los ANgeles is to become neighbors, and do things like what he did today. But if he could take that message across Los Angeles if he is elected would make me very happy. I hope he does . I hope it isn't just a photo op stunt.

February 19, 2005 7:11 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

If Villaraigosa wins the Mayor's seat then at least we will have an opportunity to get Pacheco back in the Council seat.

I hope he supports Villaraigosa for Mayor over Hertzberg.

February 19, 2005 7:27 PM  

Blogger Halogirlfromcity said:

I hope that whoever is Mayor promotes a better image for the City. In my 20 years I have never seen such a poor image that the City of Los Angeles currently has. I'm sure glad to hear that there are other front runners besides the Mayor. He doesn't deserve to win.

February 19, 2005 8:14 PM  

Blogger dgarzila said:

does anyone know who will be running in council district 14 , if AV wins?

February 19, 2005 8:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Pacheco must be the favorite. Nobody can beat him. He has a hard core group of at least 8000 voters to start with.

February 19, 2005 8:43 PM  

Blogger Anon-in-the-know said:

MAYOR SAM, give (or take) credit where credit is due, please. Granted it was posted as "anonymous" then, but I posted the following on your site Friday a.m., well before the LAVoice item Sat. about the internal Villar polling. Granted the numbers for Hertzberg were quoted as a bit lower, but my Deep Throat was rushed and the count was still being tallied, he said.


(from Fri.) "Don't worry, MEAT or some other flack-let will resurface when there are more bogus polls to pitch. Word is they have their own internal (yeah, right) polls now showing ADV at 27-28, Hertzberg at 22-23, and Hahn at 21. Too bad the people in the "internals" (Ha, again), don't "understand" the real Antonio like the people on Mayor Sam's blog do. He's up to 33 percent on the "intelligence" poll here. Should be just as valid, right?"

(FTR, I'm also the anon that said Hahn's ads wouldn't go negative against anyone a week or so ago). Time to pick a screenname, I guess, so pikers like LAVoice don't get credit for things put out by your better tuned-in posters (except meat, of course). Note the Tony V. 33% percent "dumb" poll is holding up next door, too.


February 19, 2005 8:46 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Pacheco would beat Villaraigosa if the 2003 race was re-run. Villaraigosa is an empty suit. Hertzberrg for mayor. Or Hahn for mayor But Pacheco for CD 14 councilman.

February 19, 2005 8:49 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

WHERE are the KABC-TV polling numbers ADV's campaign leaked almost a week ago - where's the backup, since MS posted them here. More lies? Why post a link on something being presented as 3rd party impartial facts, that only goes back to one candidates SPIN-site, then allow them to keep claiming another victory. Weeks old LA Times polling that isn't specific to matchups, bogus-invisible TV polls, and now internals being shown around as if they mean something other than "we paid someone to say this." Whether it would be good for the city, or not, no one has a "statistical" right to write-off Hahn yet based on these spinning stats.

February 19, 2005 8:59 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The cheers in Mt. Washington you hear are as much about "now we might finally get our streets paved" as they might be about AV being on top at this point. Most activists in NELA assumed he would get the largest minority of votes in a primary - as he did 4 years ago. After that the split becomes very apparent. Hardly anyone thinks he can pull more than mid-40s in a general (the age he was when this 52-year-old last had a relatively productive political career).

February 19, 2005 9:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I don't know why people think that Pacheco would either: 1) get elected to CD14 if Villaraigosa wins Mayor or 2) he would beat Villaraigosa in a head-on rematch today.

Pacheco's administration wasn't as obviously tainted as Hahn's is, but he definitely didn't leave Council without mud on his face after Villaraigosa made history by making Pacheco the first LA City elected official to lose in the primary (thanks to various scandals that were revealed - if you want info, just ask on the blog and I'll provide more). And then let's not forget that Steve Cooley recently gave him a whoopin' when Pacheco felt that he had the support to become District Attorney. On top of that, I hear that he's been going around telling people that he's the CD14 Recallers' preffered choice to Villaraigosa. Hmmm, something tells me that isn't a coincidence.

Now, who do I think can run for CD14 and be a viable contender if Villaraigosa wins:

1) Jose Huizar -He's an up-in-comer in the local political scene, having served 2 terms as LAUSD Board's President and worked with various entities to push his agendas along, like the Ambassador Hotel issue and the new Belmont High School.

2) Cynthia Ruiz - Former Public Works Commisioner (booted by Hahn because she's Villaraigosa Comadre) who has limited political and government experience. She's a nice person with a genuine heart, but I can't see her taking care of business efficiently at that level.

There are other people out there who would consider running, like Manny Hernandez from Highland Park (who plays all sides of the political field too much to be trusted) and Hillary Norton-Orozco from Eagle Rock (I think she recently left her post as VP for Fleishman-Hillard - need I say more???). You'll also get your frequent crazies who somehow they think they have it in them to run the district (like William Morrison - who runs for Council every chance he gets, and he's not shy about running in different districts, like CD1 and CD14).

At the end of the day though, no matter what happens, you can bet that Spring and Summer of 2005 will be one to remember.

February 19, 2005 11:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

All this conjecture about the CD14 seat is based on Villaraigosa 1) making the runnoff next month, and 2) winning the runoff. The former looks like it will happen. The latter can't happen anywhere this side of the "Twilight Zone."

February 20, 2005 12:01 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Correct. After ADV loses the general election, (assured) CD14 will be stuck with him for at least one more do-nothing, impotent, political-Viagra-needy year of negligence until he runs for some other post outside the city. Then it will be too late to require a special election, and the district will be without a CM until '07. Not that anyone will notice the difference in performance.

Tony Villar hated this job on city council even before he was sworn in (another "oath" broken to the people of the district) and only took it because his pol hacks told him he needed a launching pad to be considered the leading challenger for Mayor (that worked well... his numbers are lower than ever). He began looking for a way out immediately, acted as if he was the "mini-Me" Mayor for two years (that's not a physical "height" crack, that's a lack of political stature slam), and left the council business on auto-pilot with out-of-town staff that didn't know city hall from Monty Hall. But, you get what you deserve CD14. Keep falling for the snake-oil salesman "style" over substance candidate, and you'll remain the cesspool of city politics that Art Snyder was godfather of for another 3-4 decades.

February 20, 2005 12:14 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You must see where Hillary Norton-Orozco went when she left FH before you make an assumption like that.

Who is her new employer? Anyone know?

February 20, 2005 12:15 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

El Rockero, you left Eddie Rivera off your list. What a political twinkie!

February 20, 2005 12:17 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Are there constituents from any other Council District besides 14 that post here?

February 20, 2005 12:19 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

CD1 here! Does that count or is it too close for comfort? Our CM has grown into the job, brought his staff along well, and faces nothing resembling a challenge this time. He's the beginning of a new wave of city pols that work hard, do the job, and get their rocks off solving problems more than planning payback. Let's clone him.

February 20, 2005 12:34 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

13 also -- Garcetti is looking to climb, but he's got to put in his time and get through puberty, first.

February 20, 2005 12:36 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hilary Norton Orozco has joined Palmer Investments, Inc., as Vice President-Community Development, Dan S. Palmer, Jr., president of the Santa-Monica-based development firm announced today.


February 20, 2005 7:22 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

7, too. And we can't wait for Padilla to get out of pre-school and move up!

February 20, 2005 7:25 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Steve Cooley didn't give Pacheco a whooping in CD 14. These Villaraigosa supporters know only how to lie.

February 20, 2005 9:20 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

We got Reyes' staffers posting now? What a comedown, Mayor Sam.

February 20, 2005 9:22 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Anyone else from CD14 post here? Absolutely. Attention Deficit Villaraigosa has enemies all over the city. Gameboy Padilla has about 10 years to mature. I think Garcetti is one of the best on council. Look at the things he implements in his district. I see him in WA DC very soon. Can't believe LAT lied once again saying that ADV had 700 people at clean up. That is total bullshit. Maybe 100 and that's the bums outside the door. Maeta Gold is a typical dumb woman tabloid journalist who would rather report anything then do a little work and get the truth.

February 20, 2005 9:25 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I decided to go to the "non-political" (wink, wink) clean up yesterday just to laugh at the ADV staffers when no one showed up. Turns out they really did have hundreds of people there. In the rain, too. Naturally I figured they were bused in from all over but after talking to a lot of them, they really were locals. I'll take my serving of crow on this one at least.

February 20, 2005 10:15 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Proof that the voters don't want to change politics in LA... That's just the facts. Everyone screams about dirty campaigning, "When are we going to stop attacking?" they say... in the LA Mayoral race someone did... and he is far behind. "When will someone understand the power should be given to the people not the contributers" they howl, someone did and he has been ignored. "When will someone in this City take Neighborhood Councils seriously?" they cry... someone did and noone noticed. The person I speak of is State Senator Richard Alarcon, remember? He is the guy who won all the debates so far. The only person who has actually stood up and put his money where his mouth is. From suing the DWP over the backdoor tax to introducing legislation trying to eliminate "Pay to Play" politics in this city, even down to his establishment of a Neighborhood Council Liason in his Senate office... Senator Alarcon doesn't just talk about it, he IS about it but what lesson have we learned? When will the money not win over substance? WHEN IT STOPS WORKING ON THE VOTERS!

February 20, 2005 10:51 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Look at it this way, posters, if you don't like all this CD14 stuff popping up in the Mayor Sam blog, just make sure Antonio doesn't make the runoff. Within a few weeks you can go back to posting mostly rumors about who's sleeping with which CM's chief of staff on out-of-town junkets.

February 20, 2005 12:12 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Nick will run because he has nothing else to do. He tried landing various law firm jobs (no one wanted him because he has next to no experience as a praticing attorney) and even threw his hat in the ring to be City Attorney of Inglewood and Lynwood.

By all accounts, Nick was a complete flop as a councilman (despite Hillary Norton improperly billing her time to Nick's fundraisers) and a bigger flop as DA canidate.

Pacheco came in to clean up the previous corruption and mess left by Alatorre. He was seduced by power and corrupted by his sheer stupidity.

For the good of the CD 14, Nick please don't run. Let some new less corrupted blood take the reins and deliver.

February 20, 2005 12:57 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To the ill informed and just plain Pacheco bashers, you should know that Pacheco beat Cooley in CD 14 during the March 2004 primary.

Pacheco got 8,108 votes and Cooley got 6,008 votes.

Here is the link for you ill informed individuals:


He also:

1) Created the Affordable Housing Trust Fund

2) Protected Ascot Hills and Moon Canyon from Developers

3) Created the Evergreen Jogging Path

4) Began days of service in Los Angeles through his Community Clean up Days which included an environment fair at the end. ("Celebrating a Clean Community")

5) Created the Washington Bulky Item Drop Off Center

6) Created a 20,000 sq. ft. Technology Center for the youth of Boyle Heignts

7) Created the Neighborhood Prosecutor Program with City Attorney Rocky Delgadillo

8) Created the Community Amenities fund for CD 14 which is currently generating $226,000 dollars a quarter for Villaraigosa to spend in the district

9) Gave Villaraigosa a 90 plus page transition memo to do his job from.

10) He also had a Neighborhood Leadership Institute that trained average citizens to be city leaders and not jus pick up brooms.

Before you start attacking someone, get your fact straight.

Show me some facts and I will change my view, but all the mud-slinging and innuendo didn't change the fact that Pacheco beat Cooley in CD 14.

February 20, 2005 1:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I don't think anybody will take the previous poster seriously when he refers to Pacheco as a complete flop as CD14 councilmember. However, if Pacheco's record is open to criticism where does that put Villaraigosa's record? I think the answer is obvious - Recall Villaraigosa.

February 20, 2005 1:42 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What's the differnce between Antonio Villaraigosa and the Energizer Bunny. Even the Energizer Bunny stops running eventually! Not Tony - Rumor has it that Miguel C. is polling Jack Scott's senate district to see Antonio's favorables and unfavorables. Get a van ready Starving Students!

February 20, 2005 1:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


I can't believe we are rehashing the Pacheco-Villaraigosa race. Antonio kicked lil nickys' butt -- game over.

I think all the anti-antonio folks should take a previous posters advice -- prevent him from getting into the run-off. Then you guys will be 100% right, you have 2 weeks plenty of time to cut an ad and put over 1,000 points behind it.

Oh wait, none of you guys are worth the price of admission into real big league politics. Until you can actually make a difference in SOMETHING -- leave this to the non dum-dums. Continue on clicking website polls and spreading conspiracy theories you guys live off of.

blog away dum-dums

February 20, 2005 2:50 PM  

Blogger SacramentoNighties said:

Rehashing to 2003 CD race isn't completely the waste of time is may seem. It helps reveal exactly where Attention-Deficit Villaraigosa and his one-trick-pony campaign staff will go next.

Was Pacheco accused of every type of political graft and corruption on the planet? Yup. Was he ever charged with or put away for anything, or will he be. Nope!

Is Hahn being accused in the same manner, with no proof. U Betcha. Will he ever be charged, sent away, of even fined? Probably not. Will Hertzberg be slimed in a similar mannner if he's in a 2-way runoff with this Hillside (Career) Strangler? Bet the farm, boys and girls. It's Plan A, over and over and over again, and the ADVĀ® political insultants haven't used any new tactics in this century.

Does L.A. have a "corrupt" mayor? Maybe -- remains to be proven. Does is make sense to replace that "maybe" with a perpetual candidate who has ALWAYS been "corrupt" enough to destroy every opponent's political life just to feed his ego. ADVĀ® is an adept serial-killer, politician-style. That ain't vision, it's per-version.

February 20, 2005 3:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I could just puke. Hillary went to Dan Palmer?! Nice.

For those of us in the valley who oppose Las Lomas, I guess she is there for him now.

If she were to run for CD 14, half of the valley would be there to support any one but her.

February 20, 2005 5:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

CD 14 will more likely than not elect a Latina/o so that takes Hillary Norton out of the running. In any event, Nick, keep posting....it's the only job you have.

February 20, 2005 5:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

These posts are the best that Villaraigosa supporters can do! How did he get this far with such a bunch of morons backing him?

February 20, 2005 6:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hilary is a Latina? She is a wannabe. And yes, Antonia is a clown, pinche puto.

February 20, 2005 6:27 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I heard Attention Deficit Villaraigosa brought in county people like he always does to help clean up. He has 2 things in his tv ad that he's accomplished as councilman. the biggest LIE is that he created 80 neighborhood watches. Why doesn't someone just do a little homework and find out that's a bold face lie. The 2nd lie that he got 6,000 people to sweep. No where near that number. HEY MEAT...remember Hahn didn't come out with the negatives til the very last second of race. I think CD14 is waiting for just the right timing and ADV can kiss it all goodbye.

February 20, 2005 6:51 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

If it is a Hertzberg-Villaraigosa run-off it will be close with Hertzberg taking the prize. 53%-47%. There is no way Antonio wins the general election this time, only if for some miraculous reason Alarcon or Moore get into the general election.

February 21, 2005 10:02 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

He did not create 80 Neighborhood Watches. People in CD14 ask where are these neighborhood watches? Wouldn't crime be down if there were that many neighborhood watches? I will dig and find the truth on this one, stay tuned and I assure you I will proved that he has maybe created 10 neighborhood watches. He probably is taking credit for ones that already existed or put two people together and calls it a neighborhood watch.

February 21, 2005 10:14 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Go negative on Antonio please!!!!

Someone please disprive the 80 neighborhood watches -- please!!!

Name every person who opposes Antonio on the NC's please!!!

Roll out the shady bar owners financing the recall please!!!

Make sure Antonio doesn't get into the run-off please prove yourselves, i want to respect each and every one of your insane mentally ill people.

Have fun spending the $900k it will take to get the 1,000 media points to break-through. What? You don't have that money, you mean the lame consultant that convinced you guys this was a good idea didn't tell you this. Oh wait, there was no consultant, you guys are all grassroots, lil poor grassroots people that will topple mr villaraigosa, you guys are the train that could aren't you guys?

Too bad your train has no conductor.

blog away dum-dums

February 21, 2005 11:07 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Even so did not the giant Goliath taunt the shepherd boy David, yea, verily, before he, uh, "lost his head?"

February 21, 2005 11:18 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT you're an idiot and your attitude is typical of ADV by disregarding grass root people on the Eastside. Do I need to remind you it was GRASS ROOT people on the Eastside that closed down the jail? ADV disregards people in his own community so your attitude doesn't surprise me especially cause you're a supporter. We will show him how powerful the people really can be. It's all in timing MEAT.

February 21, 2005 11:51 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Interesting you would use the term "conductor" MEAT, but maybe you better lose the train analogies. Maybe you and Tony's handlers are feeling bad about something missed in the past? You know, the conductor isn't the one that drives the train - that's the engineer. The conductor collects the money and the tickets to pay for the ride. You know, like the $20 million ADV's transportation committee left on the table. Someone's feeling guilty about that, no doubt.

February 21, 2005 11:53 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Antonia the Sad Clown will not win because he does not represent what we as Hispanics hold as our values. He is everything bad the media says about our race.

Alarcon is a true Hispanic man who represents all American values, Catholic and family oriented. This is what the working middle class Hispanic in the city sees and wants and these are the ones who vote, not the punk maricon wannabes who hang around Pico-Union passing out flyers for political causes they don't even understand.

The Hispanic who drives the minivan to little league is who votes and they can not stand maricons like ANtonia the Clown. They do not support ex-gangbangers with bastard children all over who does things like that clown does.

Richard Alarcon worked hard and went to CSUN and became a teacher. Antonia went to some poser white bogus communist school of law for white liberals to keep us down. Alarcon represents the mainstream of Hispanic American values and not what the white people want to tag us with.

Hispanic families can support ALarcon or a good Jewish man like Bob Hertberg. Poor Antonia is out of the mainstream and part of white liberal plans for unions to screw over middle class families.

February 21, 2005 12:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I think we should ask Mr. Villaraigosa whether he condones the incendiary remarks of MEAT against grass roots activists? Wasn't MEAT suppose to list the bar owners supporting the recall? Wasn't MEAT the one who said bar owners were financing the recall? The moron doesn't remember what he says. And what language is MEAT posting in: "Someone please DISPRIVE the 80 neighborhood watches, please" What does that mean? Again, wasn't MEAT going to list the 80 neighborhood watches for us months back? And MEAT, maybe you would like to give us a list of CD14 NC leaders who are endorsing Mr. Villaraigosa. Wow, just one - maybe. The leader of the Arroyo Seco Neighborhood Council. Come back to us when you make sense MEAT. Phew! Is that ROTTING MEAT I smell?

February 21, 2005 2:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Does anyone know why Hillary left FH? I guess we all surmise why. At least people are able to land somewhere.

February 21, 2005 2:49 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

If Hilary left her husband would she still be Hispanic?

February 21, 2005 5:25 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Lots of people HAD to leave FH, the lost a massive city contract, DUH!

February 21, 2005 5:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT you kept denying and attacking people who were saying Attention Deficit Villaraigosa was taking money from Neighborhood Councils. Well, it's been documented he took money from LA32 to feed his councilmembers with treats and he took money from Boyle Heights neighborhood council that is also documented while sitting on thousands he was giving away to organizations outside CD14. C'mon MEAT we're all waiting anxiously to see how you get out of this one. You keep saying you know all the facts...You're a chickenshit if you don't answer this one.

February 22, 2005 10:13 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

MEAT why is your boss ADV being excused from council on Feb. 28th, March 1,2,3rd? Once again not doing his job and being in council representing his district. What an asshole! As if he didn't already miss something like 66 days last year. Is he going to WA DC again or needs the time to campaign in LA? His community should all go to council and speak at public comment demanding that their councilmember not take off so many days and start doing his job. I think the media will be interested in that story.

February 22, 2005 11:34 AM  

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