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Wednesday, November 29, 2006

Wednesday Open Thread: Deal Or No Deal?

Dog food guy was at City Council Tuesday, trying again to play the race card for $2.7 million.

Visualize a cardboard sign, "Will cry for millions." His attempt at a tear-jerker was pretty pathetic. Call a "wambulance." Pardon me for saying so, but if the worst thing that ever happened to you is that you ate some dog food and people made fun of you, give thanks to the God of your choice, for your life has been easier than the life just about everyone whose name doesn't begin with "Queen," "King" or "Prince." Cry me a freakin' river, dog food guy!

The City Council did approve a settlement with a guy who, after trying to evade the police, received a shiatsu massage -- with flashlights. That deep-tissue experience grossed him $450,000 -- probably $300K after legal fees.

So maybe the City Council should make dog-food guy a counter-offer: you accept $450,000, and three talk-radio hosts get to pummel you with flashlights for three minutes.

In other news, Snoop Dogg was impounded again last night, right after leaving the Leno show; drugs, firearms, and a hidden compartment in his car.

Blog away, but eloquently this time. And let's see some limericks in there. America is lagging behind other countries in the production of limericks.

By the way, you twenty-somethings didn't really think "Deal or No Deal" was a new idea, did you? There's nothing new under the sun, or the moon, either.

CARTOON DU JOUR: Take THAT, Axis of Evil!


Anonymous Anonymous said:


Hate to rain on your parade here. Get a chance to look at the Steve Lopez piece in the Times today? Seems what you and just about everybody else on this site and at KFI want to overlook is the fact that the case was never just about racism. Did you get that, Walter? Want to take a moment to digest that one?

The case was - and has always - been about 3 things:

1)proving the act was racist
2)that the LAFD retaliated when Pierce sought justice
3)that the LAFD intentionally inflicted emotional distress

All Pierce's lawyer has to prove is 2 of the points to win REALLYREALLY big at trial, and since eveybdy pretty much agrees on the last 2 points (certainly everyone at the CC meeting yesterday, including Zine and Rosendahl) and the first one is certaily debatable, well... you see where this is headed.

Maybe, in the future, you should skip the jazzy sound-bytes and headlines and just shoot for the facts.

November 29, 2006 5:24 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"KFI want to overlook is the fact that the case was never just about racism."

1)proving the act was racist


November 29, 2006 5:37 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


November 29, 2006 5:39 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


did you guys actually read the lopez piece?


wht the prev. poster said was it was never JUST about racism. the other 2 points reasonable people agree on. the LAFD admitted it tried to cover things up, and they clearly let the retaliation occur. employers are responsible for what happens on their watch.

November 29, 2006 6:04 AM  

Blogger Walter Moore said:

Excuse me, 5:24 a.m., but I've tried cases for over 20 years. I forgot: how many cases have YOU tried?

November 29, 2006 7:26 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Once again, Walter, address the points in the comment, then get a thicker skin. Are we comparing resumes now? Let's assume I've tried a few. Should we compare tax returns next? Is Lopez a credible voice in the City? Or do you just hate the thought of sharing the sandbox???

November 29, 2006 7:35 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Helllllooooo!!!!! You get an educated jury (hard to come by in downtown LA) and they will put atty. and Pierce in her place. Clowncil members are idiots. They gave a FELONY SUSPECT who PLEADED GUILTY $450,000. He originally sued for $25 million. DA's comments: "Miller pleaded guilty to both charges against him and admitted two prior felony convictions in 2000 and 2002. Miller also admitted there was a factual basis for his guilty plea.

I hope John & Ken go after this one. All these settlements are costing and wasting $$$$. Love Steve Lopez slamming Rocky and reporting the bullshit on his billboard controversey.

November 29, 2006 8:20 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Walter, can Pierce's atty. subpoena comments from the clowncil members as evidence with their lawsuit?

The majority of constituents back the mayor's veto. You would think clowncil would get a clue.

November 29, 2006 8:38 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The (LA) Times obtained portions of a July deposition late Tuesday, in which Pierce denied under oath having joined in the shaving of a fellow firefighter's groin:

"Were you ever present when a firefighter was shaved?" an assistant city attorney asked.

"No," said Pierce.

"You've never done that?"

"I've never done it."

"And if anybody said you did, they would be lying?" the attorney continued.

"They are lying," Pierce said.

Yet Pierce appears in a photo of just such an incident, and he admitted Tuesday that he had participated in hazing out of a sense of camaraderie.

"Yes, we do have what you call hazing, we do have what you call pranks, but there's a certain level you have to go to, and a certain level that has to be stopped," Pierce said.

"I was involved in those pictures, I don't deny it, but so were many others," he said. "But those pictures were done in love to guys who were promoted, to guys who had a long stint with the Fire Department."


So Pierce tried to cover up his lying in a deposition?

November 29, 2006 8:42 AM  

Blogger Walter Moore said:

It's not a matter of thick or thin skin. It's a matter of relevant experience. I have tried cases for 20 years. I have handled employment discrimination cases, for employees and employers. In my opinion, based on my experience, there is no way in hell this case is worth $2.7 million.

Now, you and Steve Lopez can have whatever opinions you like. But tell us what experience or research or tarot card reading leads you to believe $2.7 million is even in the same solar system, much less ball park, for this idiotic case.

November 29, 2006 8:43 AM  

Blogger Walter Moore said:

The Clowncil's comments are almost certainly inadmissible because they are: irrelevant to whether discrimination occurred; made in the context of settlement negotiations; unduly prejudicial in view of whatever probative value they have.

November 29, 2006 8:46 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

This is a nuisance claim with a value way short of six figures. Shame on the whining "Big Dog" (as he calls himself) and his contingency partners for predictably playing the race card and trying to feed at the public trough. Let this go to trial.

November 29, 2006 8:49 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Well, as was noted at one press conference, it was determined that Pierce - had he be able to continue on the force - would have made close to 1.6 million, all told. FFs, with overtime, can make 100,000 a yaer. Now multiply that by at least 10 (he's 51, I believe, and in great physical health). After that, FFs go inot the drop program for another 5 years, then there's the pension, which can be up to 100%... is your calculator smloking yet?

Now add in emotional trauma - sorry, gang, gotta include that - which the LAFD basically copped to... what was the original question, Walter?

November 29, 2006 8:50 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

So no one's interested in the allegation that the LAFD retaliated against Pierce for standing up to the department? Or that it engaged in a cover up? Or that "City Controller Laura Chick said earlier this year that in an audit of the department, 87% of black firefighters said they had witnessed or experienced discrimination."

It seems to me that people have gotten caught up in the headlines and not taken the time to familiarize themselves with the facts of the case (or even read an entire aricle about it). Not that that's anything new.

November 29, 2006 9:05 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What I want to know is why is it that when it happens to a black its racism but if it happened to a Latino and Asian as Pierce is shown with photos doing its ok and done out of love? I'm tired of the blacks using the race card. Can Perry, Parks, Wesson and LaBonge be that igornant? Yup. With all the murders in South LA with black on black crime you would think these people would bring the limelight to that situation. But then again they want to distract and are in denial about their very own people killing eachother.

November 29, 2006 9:25 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

No Deal!!!

Thank you to Dennis Zine for having the courage to go it alone rather than further enhance the reputation of the City of Los Angeles amongst attorneys as a slot machine that always pays off!

Wrong? Yes. Racially based? No. $2.7 Million as a SETTLEMENT? THey were kidding right?

November 29, 2006 9:35 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

7:35 Lopez is a credible voice and also well known as an extremely liberal one too. Don't forget the second part. Even with those credentials, he didn't exactly back the proposed settlement in the column today now did he.

November 29, 2006 9:37 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Move your cars.

Red Flag Day in Effect!

November 29, 2006 9:46 AM  

Anonymous Captain Jack Sparrow said:

Good morning ladies and gentlemen (running to dock to move ship): Bugger the red flag days. Do you know how hard it is to execute a 3 point turn with a Boston Whaler? Hells bells, they should just hoist the Union Jack and be done with it.

November 29, 2006 10:20 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Get a (REAL) life Jackoff, the pirate fantasies are off the top 10 list now, except for the morbidly obsessed.

Or, start up POC dress-up conventions, and get all the other Sparrow-ites to flock, like the trekkies do . . .

How are you doing on that "walk the plank list" BTW? Is it possible to have a batting average in NEGATIVE numbers?

November 29, 2006 10:56 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

uh oh Capt'n Jack. This offender just hit your face with his glove.

November 29, 2006 11:16 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I see no one has brought up the details in the settlement offer... this whining puppy was offered $2.7 million as a settlement, and other considerations:

1) Ten additional years in senority.

2) Retirement benefits equal in rank to that of a Battalion Chief.

The taxpayers would be getting rooked on this settlement!

November 29, 2006 1:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

i jist heard zdog for the first time on coucil feed - very entertaining.

garcetti was so polite to him too

November 29, 2006 1:05 PM  

Anonymous Captain Jack Sparrow said:

Good afternoon 10:56:

Not everyone has a stellar batting average. And of course that includes me. (Sigh) But then again, my posts are nowhere near as long as Mr. Dogg's posts, and certainly make about as much sense.

However the one thing Mr. Dogg and I have in common is the ability to hit a nerve now and then. As for hitting me in the face with a glove, one cannot hit what one cannot see, savvy? I'm just thankful it wasn't a two by four across the buttocks.

I will say this with respect to NEGATIVE numbers; that much I have in common with certain City Hall sots whose good deeds and ethical behaviour match my batting average. BTW, if you will, I don't play baseball. I play a gentlemen's sport - croquet. Bigger balls, savvy?

November 29, 2006 1:38 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Now they're back tracking their statements and today Wesson, Perry are saying "its not racism" its about retailiation. Good for Zine for bringing up the fact that no one mentioned yesterday Pierece's nickname was "The Big Dog" which he liked. Parks being the idiot he is had the nerve to compare this to Rampart officers doing bad things to gang bangers. Yeah, thanks Parks we've wasted $70 million cause your sorry ASS DID NOTHING WHEN RAMPART CRAP WAS happening so you're no better then the fire captains who allowed pranks. He called John & Ken again Ken & Bob. This is a reality show in the making.

November 29, 2006 1:54 PM  

Blogger joseph mailander said:

Council still in exec session over matter as of 2:30.

November 29, 2006 2:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Just wait until the facts in the LAFD firefighter Brenda Lee case comes up (same attorney, G. Harrison), and some white firefighters have lawsuits in the works too on various complaints. The Captain Frankie Lima case is gonna be the REALLY interesting one and will reveal much about the management of the dept. by chief Bamattre....

November 29, 2006 3:22 PM  

Blogger joseph mailander said:

Council still in exec session over matter as of 3:30.

November 29, 2006 3:27 PM  

Blogger joseph mailander said:

Council still in exec session over matter as of 4:30...

November 29, 2006 4:35 PM  

Blogger dgarzila said:


sounds to me like they are just asleep or eating.

I am hungry too.

November 29, 2006 4:36 PM  

Blogger joseph mailander said:

4:55 p.m....Council breaks session, now in public comments...

November 29, 2006 5:01 PM  

Blogger dgarzila said:

well what happened?

November 29, 2006 5:11 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Larry Elder is really making fun of these morons. All the blacks are calling in saying they all call eachother "Dog." They have photos of a volleyball game and witnesses and Pierce is asking everyone to call him Big Dog. anyone know how they voted?

November 29, 2006 5:20 PM  

Blogger dgarzila said:

Dennis ZIne on KFI

November 29, 2006 5:41 PM  

Anonymous Patrick Vanner said:

Walter Fucking Moore...I love you. Can you please clone it up a bit and run for Council?

You have the logic that this City Hall is bitterly missing.

Love you man!

November 29, 2006 7:10 PM  

Anonymous KFI Fan said:

John & Ken for President!

Walter Moore for City Council

Zuma Dog for...well, let's get him a job, folks. He's strange, but I think he's more honest and logical than the dopes on city council.

November 29, 2006 7:11 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I agree - Walter and Zooma Dog are far more honest than any of the dopes on city council.

I wouldn't want to live near Zooma Dog, but I would welcome his voice on City Council, along with that of Walter. And John & Ken.

Dennis Zine for Mayor. I cannot believe I'm saying this. Zine for Mayor. Or Laura Chick

November 29, 2006 7:29 PM  

Blogger Walter Moore said:

Thank you!

November 29, 2006 8:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

All this says is he's lazy and wants the money de easy way.

Make him work for it and teach him de lies are wrong.

November 30, 2006 6:56 PM  

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