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Friday, December 30, 2005

Animal Planet

LA City Beat dedicates it's Frontlines section this week to two stories on the recent battle over animal rights in Los Angeles.

After Stuckey is fired from Animal Services, new chief Boks steps into a department knee-deep in a court fight with activists

Jerry Vlasak turned the animal rights world on its ear when he suggested that animal research scientists might be killed

Blog away animal nuts!


Blogger PETA NO! said:

Blah blah blah new General Manager. I give him one year and six months. Then he moves on to another city. He will realize he won't be able to satisfy the Radicals (ADL,ALF). Get real people. There are many pets that could be adopted and no one will. On the other hand there are animals that have no place in society and must be humanely euthanized. NO SUCH THING AS NO KILL!!!! Get that through your heads!

December 30, 2005 10:11 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Partial list. . .

These Cities/States/Counties Are Now or Are Becoming No-Kill Cities

The State of Utah
New York, New York
San Francisco
Richmond, Virginia
Dallas, Texas
Norfolk, Virginia
Tompkins County, New York
Eureka, California
Tampa, Florida
Austin, Texas
Miami, Florida
San Luis Obispo, California
Mobile, Alabama
San Diego, California

Some already have to "import" from other "kill" cities in order to keep up with resident demand for pets.

(Man isn't supposed to fly, either. . . Orville!)

December 30, 2005 11:15 AM  

Blogger William Mulholland said:

I can sympathize with wanting "no-kill" animal shelters, but I am curious as to the resources that these cities require to do this.

Thanks to Prop 13, we underfund just about everything (how about a pet food tax to pay for the cost?).

I am also skeptical about the "importing" claim.

December 30, 2005 11:35 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

peta no,
Again, no-kill/lo-kill, call it what you like. Don't get hung up on semantics. I'm all for anything which lowers the euthanasia rate. You should be too.

Boks has had to deal with radicals before. He understands them. He also understands burned out, stressed out, over worked, calloused shelter employees. You really have a lot of anger. Who are you mad at and why? Sounds like you just hate everyone.

Yes, some animals such as trained fighting cocks, fighting dogs must be humanely euthanized for their own sake. I bet Boks would agree.

Most cities pay $5 per citizen for animal services. That would put LA's animal services budget at $22M. Right now I think they get 15M but can only spend 13M. The department needs more money.

I don't know about all of those cities and don't have the time right this second to research it but I do know that in Australia and some parts of the UK, they did such a good job at spay/neuter that they do indeed have to import cats to adopt out. In the cat newsgroups foreignors don't understand our overpopulation issues.

December 30, 2005 1:46 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I read that, too... Willie. In none other than the L.A. Times, not six months ago. I've got the clipping at home but I'm just too cheap to pay LAT for the archive search. It was there... in overrated black and white.

Mid-sized cities all over the U.S. without enough new pet births locally due to aggressive neutering campaigns to replace the ones dying there!

Ain't that a whelping bitch! If L.A. could get it's act together, we might even be able to get some of these same cities to PAY US money for the dogs and cats WE are paying money to put down now.

Are they all just smarter than us? Richer? Less politically handcuffed by promise-breaking demogogues waiting for the next campaign to start up out-of-town?

Huh. . .

December 30, 2005 1:47 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

"According to the March 2000 issue of The Animal Policy Report from Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine, Center for Animals and Public Policy, "In the Northeastern US, animal shelters are finding unique ways to address a problem they thought they would never see -- a shortage of mixed breed, adoptable puppies and small adult dogs!…The creative solution to this dilemma was to begin an airlift of puppies and small dogs from areas where surpluses still existed - some small adult dogs from as far away as Puerto Rico…Over 6000 dogs have been flown in, without major problems."

. . .some animal rights groups and shelters have begun importing animals from as far away as Puerto Rico, Mexico, Taiwan, Okinawa, and other distant locations.

December 30, 2005 2:02 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Jerry Vlasak is stupid nutcase. He is hideously ugly and his views are so extreme that I put him in the same category as I do James Dobson from Focus on the Family.

December 30, 2005 2:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I agree. I'm scared of him.

December 30, 2005 8:25 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


December 30, 2005 11:34 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Becuase he's a surgeon who values the lives of animals more than people.

Because he's a nut.

Because he's full of himself.

Or maybe because he thinks people who don't feel like him should simply die.

December 31, 2005 1:02 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I agree. "I'm scared of [him, her, that, etc."] is a saying meaning the former poster would like to stay far away from the likes of Vlasak types.

I don't blame him. He is a whack job.

December 31, 2005 7:25 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meat is murder? Um no, actually meat is what makes people healthy. Ever notice how vegetarians and vegans always have pasty white skin? Eww, creepy. They are so lacking in vitamins. They need some iron. Have you ever read an interview with someone who is over 100 years old? Never do they say they got there by NOT eating meat.

January 01, 2006 3:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I'm not a vegetarian and I do not like Vlasak but you are wrong about iron. There's as much iron in spinach as there is in meat. Red wine has iron. Iron pills have iron. Cast iron pans have iron. Bread is enriched with iron. Water has iron. Vegetarians don't get enough protein. You would make a better argument if you used more facts.

January 02, 2006 12:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Iron, protein, whatever. I'm only arguing that vegetarians have pasty white skin and are lacking something. I don't need facts to argue that. I'm not a trained nutritionist, but I know a problem when I see it. I just can't identify the source.

Go eat a steak.

January 02, 2006 12:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Vegetarians and vegans can eat enough iron and protein. Here's a vegetarian body builder with a tan. Going in the sun has nothing to do with being a vegetarian. Vegans can get iron and protein from vegetables and tofu. Some probably just prefer staying out of the sun so they don't get skin cancer.


January 02, 2006 2:04 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

You don't need facts but you still use the wrong ones. Smokers have pasty white skin. People with heart problems have pasty white skin and doctors say meat causes heart problems. Go eat a steak is the last thing doctors would say to cure pasty white skin. Unless they enjoy malpractice lawsuits. If you hate animal lovers just say this. It is fair. For the rest of this you do need facts. Go get some facts.

January 02, 2006 2:11 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Is there any information that eating meat makes people live to 100? I don't think I heard that one before.

Go get a nutrition book.

January 02, 2006 2:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I don't hate animal lovers, but I agree with the poster who thinks vegans and vegetarians have pasty white skin. I also think most of them simply look unhealthy. Whether he has his facts right or not, his point was that they need something.

He didn't say that eating meat would make you live to 100. He said that if you read an interview with people who lived past 100, never do they say they got there by NOT eating meat.

No wonder y'all are labeled radicals. You are.

January 02, 2006 4:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Nor do they say they got to 100 by eating meat. It's irrelevant.

And old people in south Italy live to 100. Meat is hard to come by in many countries where people live to be very very old

There is a disease from too much iron. The skin turns pasty yellow. a disease from eating too much meat called gout, a disease from fat clogged arteries where the circulation gets bad and the feet turn blue.

There are a lot of bad colors people can turn from eating meat. We may be radicals but we're radicals with information. All your side does is call people names.

January 02, 2006 6:04 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The Hunzas are vegetarian and have long been known to live past 100 years.


January 02, 2006 6:11 PM  

Blogger PETA NO! said:

That was a good ribeye steak the other night! The veal cutlet the week before was even better!

January 03, 2006 6:48 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Meat is yummy. I stay away from the red stuff, but not because it's not delicious - risk of heart disease.

Buffalo is yummy too. And lean. If a vegetarian tried buffalo, they'd love it.

January 03, 2006 9:40 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The hottest person in City Hall is a vegetarian and she is not pasty!

January 03, 2006 4:22 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Jen Forkish is not a veggie!

January 03, 2006 4:58 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

She's also not the hottest in City Hall. Rather than bring her up every couple of months, why don't you just ask her out. We won't be brainwashed into believing you.

So to the NON Jen Forkish poster, who is the hottest?

January 04, 2006 3:36 AM  

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