Animal Planet
LA City Beat dedicates it's Frontlines section this week to two stories on the recent battle over animal rights in Los Angeles.ANIMAL PLANET
After Stuckey is fired from Animal Services, new chief Boks steps into a department knee-deep in a court fight with activists
MEAT IS MURDER
Jerry Vlasak turned the animal rights world on its ear when he suggested that animal research scientists might be killed
Blog away animal nuts!
Posted by Anonymous @ 12/30/2005 09:20:00 AM
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Partial list. . .
These Cities/States/Counties Are Now or Are Becoming No-Kill Cities
The State of Utah
New York, New York
San Francisco
Richmond, Virginia
Dallas, Texas
Norfolk, Virginia
Tompkins County, New York
Eureka, California
Tampa, Florida
Austin, Texas
Miami, Florida
San Luis Obispo, California
Mobile, Alabama
San Diego, California
Some already have to "import" from other "kill" cities in order to keep up with resident demand for pets.
(Man isn't supposed to fly, either. . . Orville!)
peta no,
Again, no-kill/lo-kill, call it what you like. Don't get hung up on semantics. I'm all for anything which lowers the euthanasia rate. You should be too.
Boks has had to deal with radicals before. He understands them. He also understands burned out, stressed out, over worked, calloused shelter employees. You really have a lot of anger. Who are you mad at and why? Sounds like you just hate everyone.
Yes, some animals such as trained fighting cocks, fighting dogs must be humanely euthanized for their own sake. I bet Boks would agree.
Most cities pay $5 per citizen for animal services. That would put LA's animal services budget at $22M. Right now I think they get 15M but can only spend 13M. The department needs more money.
I don't know about all of those cities and don't have the time right this second to research it but I do know that in Australia and some parts of the UK, they did such a good job at spay/neuter that they do indeed have to import cats to adopt out. In the cat newsgroups foreignors don't understand our overpopulation issues.
I read that, too... Willie. In none other than the L.A. Times, not six months ago. I've got the clipping at home but I'm just too cheap to pay LAT for the archive search. It was there... in overrated black and white.
Mid-sized cities all over the U.S. without enough new pet births locally due to aggressive neutering campaigns to replace the ones dying there!
Ain't that a whelping bitch! If L.A. could get it's act together, we might even be able to get some of these same cities to PAY US money for the dogs and cats WE are paying money to put down now.
Are they all just smarter than us? Richer? Less politically handcuffed by promise-breaking demogogues waiting for the next campaign to start up out-of-town?
Huh. . .
"According to the March 2000 issue of The Animal Policy Report from Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine, Center for Animals and Public Policy, "In the Northeastern US, animal shelters are finding unique ways to address a problem they thought they would never see -- a shortage of mixed breed, adoptable puppies and small adult dogs!…The creative solution to this dilemma was to begin an airlift of puppies and small dogs from areas where surpluses still existed - some small adult dogs from as far away as Puerto Rico…Over 6000 dogs have been flown in, without major problems."
. . .some animal rights groups and shelters have begun importing animals from as far away as Puerto Rico, Mexico, Taiwan, Okinawa, and other distant locations.
Jerry Vlasak is stupid nutcase. He is hideously ugly and his views are so extreme that I put him in the same category as I do James Dobson from Focus on the Family.
I agree. I'm scared of him.
Why?
Becuase he's a surgeon who values the lives of animals more than people.
Because he's a nut.
Because he's full of himself.
Or maybe because he thinks people who don't feel like him should simply die.
I agree. "I'm scared of [him, her, that, etc."] is a saying meaning the former poster would like to stay far away from the likes of Vlasak types.
I don't blame him. He is a whack job.
Meat is murder? Um no, actually meat is what makes people healthy. Ever notice how vegetarians and vegans always have pasty white skin? Eww, creepy. They are so lacking in vitamins. They need some iron. Have you ever read an interview with someone who is over 100 years old? Never do they say they got there by NOT eating meat.
I'm not a vegetarian and I do not like Vlasak but you are wrong about iron. There's as much iron in spinach as there is in meat. Red wine has iron. Iron pills have iron. Cast iron pans have iron. Bread is enriched with iron. Water has iron. Vegetarians don't get enough protein. You would make a better argument if you used more facts.
Iron, protein, whatever. I'm only arguing that vegetarians have pasty white skin and are lacking something. I don't need facts to argue that. I'm not a trained nutritionist, but I know a problem when I see it. I just can't identify the source.
Go eat a steak.
Vegetarians and vegans can eat enough iron and protein. Here's a vegetarian body builder with a tan. Going in the sun has nothing to do with being a vegetarian. Vegans can get iron and protein from vegetables and tofu. Some probably just prefer staying out of the sun so they don't get skin cancer.
http://ksteveh.tripod.com/vegetarianbodybuilder_home.html
You don't need facts but you still use the wrong ones. Smokers have pasty white skin. People with heart problems have pasty white skin and doctors say meat causes heart problems. Go eat a steak is the last thing doctors would say to cure pasty white skin. Unless they enjoy malpractice lawsuits. If you hate animal lovers just say this. It is fair. For the rest of this you do need facts. Go get some facts.
Is there any information that eating meat makes people live to 100? I don't think I heard that one before.
Go get a nutrition book.
I don't hate animal lovers, but I agree with the poster who thinks vegans and vegetarians have pasty white skin. I also think most of them simply look unhealthy. Whether he has his facts right or not, his point was that they need something.
He didn't say that eating meat would make you live to 100. He said that if you read an interview with people who lived past 100, never do they say they got there by NOT eating meat.
No wonder y'all are labeled radicals. You are.
Nor do they say they got to 100 by eating meat. It's irrelevant.
And old people in south Italy live to 100. Meat is hard to come by in many countries where people live to be very very old
There is a disease from too much iron. The skin turns pasty yellow. a disease from eating too much meat called gout, a disease from fat clogged arteries where the circulation gets bad and the feet turn blue.
There are a lot of bad colors people can turn from eating meat. We may be radicals but we're radicals with information. All your side does is call people names.
The Hunzas are vegetarian and have long been known to live past 100 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian
Meat is yummy. I stay away from the red stuff, but not because it's not delicious - risk of heart disease.
Buffalo is yummy too. And lean. If a vegetarian tried buffalo, they'd love it.
The hottest person in City Hall is a vegetarian and she is not pasty!
Jen Forkish is not a veggie!
She's also not the hottest in City Hall. Rather than bring her up every couple of months, why don't you just ask her out. We won't be brainwashed into believing you.
So to the NON Jen Forkish poster, who is the hottest?
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