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Friday, December 10, 2004

Poopy In Deep Doo Doo?

Mayor PoopyThe Daily News reports that FH may have billed the expense of a Nick Pacheco fundraiser linked to Mayor Poopy to the DWP. About $4000 of public funds may have benefited the re-election efforts of Pacheco as he ran against, and ultimatley lost to Mayor Poopy's one time and once again challenger, Antonio Villaraigosa. The Daily Breeze also had a story on the matter as well.
"It's a smoking gun. I mean, it's a smoking Uzi."
City Controller Laura Chick
Could this be the begining of the end? What did Poopy know and when did he know it? Which City Council Member is going to be Bob Dole going to Richard Nixon and go tell Poopy its time to resign?

Its going to get interesting!


Anonymous Anonymous said:

mayor sam..read the newspapers again. pacheco didn't get $4000 from FH. and the fundraiser was months before antonio villaraigosa announced he was running. when antonio villaraigosa asks, "when is somebody going to be accountable?" shouldn't he (and laura chick)wait for indictments and convictions rather than blacken the names of possibly innocent people.

December 10, 2004 5:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Again I agree with the poster. Chick, Antonio, Parks and even Huggy Bob all were involved in Fleishman-Hillard so they are the last people to be attacking anyone. Antonio has nothing better to do cause 1. he doesn't have a clear vision for the city, 2. His police plan was lukewarm received and 3. He has no message. Instead of taking the high road with class like Alaracon is and speak on what you would do as Mayor for the last couple of weeks Antonio has been attacking. People are now seeing that as a big weakness in his camp. If you have nothing to say be negative.

December 10, 2004 5:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


To the first poster, I'm sure that Mayor Sam wasn't saying that Pacheco directly received a monetary donation from Fleishman-Hillard in the amount of about $4,000, but rather that the the $4,000 tab that came about from the fundraiser organized by Hillary Norton-Orozco was put forward to DWP to be paid. The reports state from FH people that the bill was spotted before DWP paid it and removed, but why would a bill of that nature end up with other bills being sent to DWP?

As far as tainting people's names, I agree that we need to make sure to wait until substantial information has been put forward before we starting firmly pointing fingers. But with the information detailed by the Daily Breeze, going in debt as to the work that Hillary Norton-Orozco, her husband, and how FH and DWP were tied together, along with all the reports coming from Laura Chick and the pending investigations from the City Attorney's office, it's hard not to start putting those associated under a spotlight.

Well, I bet the Mayor is happy the week is over. Let's see what comes out next week.

December 10, 2004 5:37 PM  

Blogger PKD said:

Who's that hanging from the gallow tree
His eyes are hollow but he looks like me
Who's that swinging from the gallow tree
Up jumped the Devil and took my soul from me

December 10, 2004 5:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

i agree that FH looks very greedy and sleazy to say the least and that ms. norton has some explaining to do.

December 10, 2004 5:59 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


ahem...ahhheeemmm, sorry i was clearing my throat. I really don't know where to start, this one is so good. So the Daily Breeze, not Antonio releases this very juicy info of more scandals that are paralyzing this city to a halt. The fact remains that we are seeing a systematic selling off of our government to the highest contributor, and to those that say Antonio is tainted because of a campaign contribution you are wrong. You know John Burton said a long time ago if you can't accept a contribution one day and the next day tell that contributor a big fat NO then you don't belong in elected office.

I think we all can see where this mayor fits on that simple test.

December 10, 2004 6:30 PM  

Blogger Mayor Sam said:

For Christ sakes, lets look at some god damn facts!

I didn't say that $4000 was handed over to Pacheco. I said the paper said the bill for his fundraiser went to the DWP.

Next, rumors and innuendo are one things but reports in the newspaper and investigations by government agencies are far more serious. Maybe no one did anything wrong here, but its looking more and more like it doesn't pass the smell test. Surely, if it did the Feds wouldn't be getting involved.

I have to say I love how all you Poopy-istas are getting out here and trying to spin this back to Antonio when Antonio has nothing to do with it. In fact, if Antonio had been the subject here - not Poopy, Pacheco, et al - you jackals would have been all over him like white on rice.

One more thing - people keep bringing up Hertzberg, Chick, Parks, George W. Bush, Mother Teresa, etc. all accepting donations from FH. So what? Until someone claims that they were diverting DWP FH dollars that's meaningless.

I really believe Poopy is not going to be able to spin his way out of this.

December 10, 2004 7:22 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

sorry mayor sam but you wrote: About $4000 of public funds may have benefited the reelection efforts of pacheco...." sounds to me that you are saying, well, what you wrote. and as for having nothing to do with villaraigosa, why did the times have his name in the headline above the story? it didn't have hilary norton-orozco's name, it didn't have pacheco's name. and it didn't have laura chick's name. don't you think antonio is manipulating the press with all these F-H stories?

December 10, 2004 7:56 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

And, you can keep mentioning Parks, Villaraigosa, Hertzberg and Chick all you want. But, the fact is none of them are being investigated by two grand juries.

December 10, 2004 8:11 PM  

Blogger Mayor Sam said:

These Hahn lovers are freaking morons! Go gargle with razor blades you tinhorns!

December 10, 2004 8:53 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

City Hall+ Downtown special interests=corruption. When does it end? Yeah that's a good one...Oh, and the answer is NEVER.

December 10, 2004 9:16 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

If as the Chick says, '..it is a smoking gun, a smoking uzi.', then why doesn't someone pull the trigger already !!! The shot pattern would wipe out all the crooks at City Hall and beyond. (Just an analogy...not a serious comment....so don't freak).

We have heard this from Laura before and she probably is correct to a large degree, however, we are still waiting for the other shoe to drop, the boot to drop, the shoe department to fall over .....and nothing seems to happen.

We really need sometihng to happen before election, either way. Clear them or convict them. The people need to know !!!

December 10, 2004 11:37 PM  

Blogger The Civic-Minded Noodge said:

No one is ever going to find a truly smoking gun to prove wrongdoing by Hahn or his staff or commissioners on the Fleishman-Hillard contracts. This mess is the result of years of subtle "hands off the Fleishman contracts" messages emanating from both the Riordan and Hahn administrations and finding accommodation by staff, Commission and Council. Nate Holden, of all people, was the only one to repeatedly question the Fleishman arrangements publicly, only to be shut down by the powers that be -- those powers eager either to protect Fleishman or to protect the image of DWP and other city agencies.

And feeling untouchable, and needing to keep its LA office billing multiple millions each year even with the tech bust and a dwindling client base, Fleishman got greedy. The best we can hope for is that the arrogant crooks at Fleishman get held accountable.

As fun as it is to post here anonymously, may I make a request that we at least adopt noms de Internet so there's more of a sense of give and take on this site, rather than just puking into the void?

December 11, 2004 12:08 PM  

Blogger FromDaCheapSeats said:

The Mayor is not in deep doo doo over this incident. In order for him to be in deep doo doo over this you would have to believe that the Mayor was interested in this Council race in March of 2002.

Everyone, including Meat, knows that CD 14 didn't get interesting until at least one year (june/july 2002) after Villaraigosa lost to Hahn in 2001. Antonio is lieing if he said he was looking at CD 14 eight months after losing to Hahn. The race got really interesting in early November 2002, when Antonio was attacked by those mailers.

Also, FH are the culprits here. They are the ones that altered the records and how would Hahn know that. If Laura Chick didn't catch it as controller and as the person responsible to check these things, then how could have the Mayor. Use your head, people.

Villaraigosa knows that he can get cheap publicity by asking the ethics commission to look into this. I wonder if he is going to ask them to look at Chick's office for a co-conspirator. You know, the person who authorized payment on the invoice. If anyone outside the controller's office is going to held accountable for that payment then someone inside the controller's office should be held accountable. It looks like an inside job to me.

December 11, 2004 6:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Hey from the cheap seats --- you are right Antonio did get some cheap publicity, unlike this mayor who had F-H charge joe taxpayer and arm and a leg for some dumb publicity.

Cheap versus corrupt? give me cheap any and everyday.

You'd agree yes?

December 12, 2004 1:14 AM  

Blogger FromDaCheapSeats said:

I agree it was cheap, Meat.

As long as the politician was doing City work I don't care who pays for the publicity. I don't care that FH was paid to find people who would fight secession because I thought secession was bad for the City. I don't care that DWP paid for the Mayor's trip to China because he was there to promote the City.

We all want the Mayor to have more charisma and be bigger than life, yet when he uses the resources available to him as the Mayor some cry since it wasn't general fund money, it was DWP money.

Most people don't even think that DWP is separate money, they think it is ALL the City's money. Unless he gets indicted personally, most voters are going to want to know what the replacement candidates have to offer.

As far as I can tell, Hahn is only interested in doing what he thinks will help the City. F-H should be prosecuted for their illegal billing and all PROVEN co-conspirators should go with them (F-H employees, Controller's Office employees, & Mayor's Office employees).

December 12, 2004 10:37 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

To Meat:

I see you didn't challenge Cheap Seats assertion regarding Villaraigosa's interest in CD 14 developing much later than March 2002.

Any ideas why the Controller's office is getting a pass on this? They approved the payment for all these bills. Why didn't they stop it when it happened and not wait until later? Chick started her job at the same time Hahn did, right.

Hahn was not corrupt for using Fleishman for publicity, but he will have to answer the question regarding "pay to play."

December 12, 2004 10:43 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Everyone wants to blame Chick but was she supposed to instantly assume the Mayor was corrupt in submitting bills?

I guess she should have, I don't know.

December 12, 2004 3:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The City should NOT have been paying FH to fight secesion. If City funds were spent on that, the mayor should go to JAIL.

Valley residents are taxpayers (in fact the lion share of LA taxes come from the Valley) and it would be completely unfair for their taxes to be spent against them. As well, there were residents in the city who were FOR secession as they felt it would be better for their part of LA for the city to be smaller.

If anyone knows about the Mayor spending public funds on opposing secession, Mayor Sam needs to get that out there.

December 12, 2004 4:11 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

These are the facts I know. Laura Chick who started all of this has an alterior motive. She's up for re-election. Let's also not forget that she was found GUILTY of campaign violations by the Ethics Commission and ordered to pay thousands of dollars. She also endorsed last time round and is endorsing Bob this time. Fact, Bob was a consultant for FH and why isn't the Daily Breeze reporting how much he was paid and what clients he worked for? That's goes to the heart of his crediability but then again he's a valley guy so other people are looking into it. Antonio took money from ENRON who's had major indictments. We want to know HOW much they gave Antonio especially because it was for senior citizens retirements and hard working people's 401K. Has he paid it back? Antonio, Parks and others have taken money from Fleishman-Hillard. If they're now coming out saying how crooked they are WHY HAVEN'T THEY PAID IT BACK. Oh, and let's not forget that Antonio has taken money from neighborhood councils. Why doesn't the Daily News look into that? They can have it on a silver platter? So no one is above accusations cause it looks like those doing the accusing have their own scandals.

December 12, 2004 4:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Chick should have checked the bills before they were paid, not after. She is responsible for checking the supporting documents for every invoice in the City of Los Angeles, including DWP.

The Mayor does not submit bills; the vendors do and the departments forward them to the Controller.

Do you think the Controller will ever admit her department screwed up by paying bills that had little or no explanation for work done?

December 12, 2004 6:23 PM  

Blogger The Civic-Minded Noodge said:

Chick HAS been raising questions, loudly and publicly, about F-H invoices (including subcontractors like the Lee Andrews Group) for years but can't just refuse payment on contracts b/c it exposes the city to all kinds of lawsuits. Check the news databases.

December 12, 2004 7:59 PM  

Blogger FromDaCheapSeats said:

Civic-Minded is wrong about the Lee Andrews group. Chick did not agree with the policy of using these types of groups and wanted to stop the practice. She can't stop the policy decision, it's not her job.

However, she can refuse to pay for invoices that lack proper proof of work or inadequately described work and catch fraudalent billing. This is where her office failed.

You should check your news databases.

December 12, 2004 8:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Hey, isn't the Lee Andrews Group the group that the Department of Neighborhood Empowerment hired under Rosalyn Steward(thier first general manager....who now works for Gruel) over the objection of the Commission to do who knows what for a lot of money ?

December 12, 2004 9:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

What I want to know because a previous blogger has raised a good point is how in the world can you pay $4.2 MILLION and then realize you should have questioned it first? As city controller how many other companies has she paid millions of dollars to without questioning them? She's coming off as the idiot here because does she just have a name stamp and put it on checks? C'mon people why aren't taxpayers more outraged at her incompetence?

December 13, 2004 9:42 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

I think voters will be more interested in Chick paying millions first without checking them out. As many a City employee can attest to, there seems to be millions of forms, questions, re doing of forms, justifications, etc for every penny spent or trip taken for employees. Why isn't the same type of scrutiny used for million dollar contracts? Had I known that Chick didn't look at them, maybe I would have become a pr vendor....seems like easy money!

The FH scandal, however, won't hurt Hahn, as much as all of you would like to think. Most people have NO IDEA what a pr company does and the news involving FH is very convoluted she said/ he said type of crap that turns most people off. Do you really think the average voter will understand that people are accusing the Mayor of using pr time for himself when they are under contract at dwp? doesn't dwp report to the mayor? so most people won't understand the big deal.

December 13, 2004 10:36 AM  

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