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Tuesday, August 26, 2008

No Bump Yet for Obama; Things Getting Worse

Gallup Poll showing McCain two points ahead of Obama, which is unheard of following a VP pick and during a national convention.

At the same time polls showing a significant portion of Hillary Clinton supporters are voting for John McCain and numbers in key Pennsylvania counties which are not looking good for Obama.

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Anonymous Anonymous said:

That is what happens when a candidate mocks the age of a man who was a POW for 5+ years.

Especially when the mockers have a lot of skeletons in the closet.

August 26, 2008 12:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


"Obama's rhetroic is" now exposed as "just plain words."


August 26, 2008 12:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Would you like me to break down inconsistencies with Gallup's #'s?

1- Saturday and Sunday -- no one is really home but Conservatives (liberals tend to go out more during the weekend)

2- Dems and Undecideds were watching the Convention, not talking on the phone

3- Real Clear Politics: 8/18-8/25Obama leads McCain 44-46

4- Reuters/Zogby Poll on 8/16: McCain had a 5 point lead... hmmm

August 26, 2008 12:39 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The nasty end result of all this is that if Obama does lose - and it's still a long way to that - the "reason" given by the majority of liberals and media pundits will be that this is still a racist nation that isn't able to elect an African American president.

BUT, they did it to themselves. Dems should know not to pit two downtrodden minorities against each other -- Blacks and woman -- at the same time.

There isn't even that much liberal guilt in their party to go around.

Plus, the nasty truth for the Dems AND the GOP . . . neither party can win a national election without catering at least somewhat to the extremists and bigots in their own camp.

This country has come miles away from racism even in recent decades (compare us to the excused "slanty-eyed" Spanish basketball team of the supposedly more enlightened Western Europe), but the minority of those who haven't come quite as far still hold court enough in political affairs to make party leaders wary of crossing them -- too much.

August 26, 2008 1:19 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Obama is up 7 points in the latest quinnipac poll in Pennsylvania...what problems are you talking about?

this is lame higby, you are really taking yourself way to seriously and are getting wrapped up in the quasi success of this blog. go back to your roots, talk about local stuff, not national stuff that even the national pundits have a hard time explaining and pontificating on. I had no idea you would be so disturbed just because some blog ranked this site as a liberal blog...since when did you get so wrapped up in what others think?

August 26, 2008 1:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Saturday and Sunday -- no one is really home but Conservatives (liberals tend to go out more during the weekend)

Dems and Undecideds were watching the Convention, not talking on the phone

What a crap spin that was -- not even up to normal partisan apologist whining.

Um, you forgot to mention that nearly all polls start out skewed away from conservative voters anyway, because they're less likely to answer polls in general and questions on the phone specifically.

That's a proven factor that pollsters know they can't get past; your "out for the weekend" and "watching convention" BS is very sad, and silly.

There's a little thing called "church" (followed by Sunday brunch, etc.) that conservatives take part in in massive percentages on Sunday's compared to most liberals -- and that liberals think is just a all-purpose building you house illegal aliens in for political sanctuary.

And, what were they watching . . . empty seats in the arena? Or were they all tuned in to CNN to see 3rd-string on-airs regurgitate the resume of Senate dinosaur Biden for the 12th time since Friday night. Who is he, anyway? The Senate Judicial Committee chair that turned a Supreme Court justice confirmation into a sordid, tacky soap opera of a partisan circus and "high-tech lynching" of a respected conservative black man?

Do better.

Biden won't.

August 26, 2008 1:34 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Dear, dear 1:21 pm -- all politics are local, and please learn how to spell check your entries

August 26, 2008 1:41 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

Quasi-success, that's cute.

I'm curious know if the Obama bin Biden team are concerned that over a quarter of Hillary Clinton Democrats are voting for John McCain?

I don't think that even comes close to the rift in past conventions.

Maybe 1980 when Teddy Kennedy ran in the primary against Jimmah Carter and it really hurt Carter, among other things, against Reagan. Lots of Democrats voted for Reagan.

August 26, 2008 1:42 PM  

Blogger Michael Higby said:

Don't worry folks when the Clowncil gets back next week there will be plenty more to keep you entertained.

August 26, 2008 1:47 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

12:39 you see Higby wants to be seen as some serious blogger but he's a joke allowing his blog to continually lie and slander elected officials, putting up clowns like Valley Ditz, Haiku and Wet Spot as bloggers. Then he encourages idiots like Dave Elliott wearing klans uniforms and N word shirts thinking its real cute or "political theatre."
I wouldn't spend a lot of time taking fatso seriously.

August 26, 2008 2:10 PM  

Blogger Joshua Englander said:

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August 26, 2008 2:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


Have you ever done any serious polling or even taking a class in polling? Unless the answer is yes to both, don't talk about polling.

1- Are you saying young, single people aren't more likely to be out on a Friday and Saturday night than older, more conservative voters?

2- How do polls start skewed against Conservative voters? Hell...there are some very GOOD conservative polling firms (Public Opinion Strategies and The Terrance Group) which tend to skew Conservative with their numbers.

3- Most polling firms don't call during "church time" as this is known to skew results.

Please --- Learn about polling..take a few classes in it, and then get back to me.

August 26, 2008 2:18 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


And no one should take a critic seriously who has to resort to "fat" jokes to extend a poor argument.

You'd do better on Last Comic Standing, than on a political blog (but not much better).

August 26, 2008 2:38 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

The mindless liberal media has been having to report these polls, as well this past weekend. It's not like they could escape it, what with the Internet.

But there's been a steady, almost pleading undercurrent of concern about it. You can hear it in their voices . . . "He's catching UP, Barack, PLEASE don't let him catch up."

Then there's always the different "framing" of the same information.

If Obama is ahead by 2 points in the polls, he's "ahead by a slim margin of only 2 points."

But if McCain is ahead by 2 points, it's "Obama and McCain are in a statistical dead heat (taking into account the margin of error)."

Note the difference?

Then, all the bantering begins about how this is because the convention has just started, it's opening was overshadowed by the end of the Olympics, the bad economy has people working more overtime and crying and biting their nails in the corner over bills instead of making political decisions, or maybe even, Hillary just hasn't swooned enough over Obama to free her supporters to think for themselves, yet.

Here's some more to help them explain it away:

-- Liberals tend to be poorer, and because of the bad economy they all had to 1) sell their TVs, and/or 2) shut off cable, to make ends meet.

-- When they heard it was Biden, they thought it said "Obama is biden' his time picking a VP candidate

-- They took Obama's introduction of Biden on Saturday as "the next president of the U.S." to mean Obama was abdicating his position as the political messiah for our time, and getting out of the race.

-- Some of the less faithful just realized "change" can be for the good, OR the bad.

-- Two words: Global Warming!!

August 26, 2008 2:53 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

2:17 = 2:18 = Joshua Englander

Why you deleting your comments Josh?

August 26, 2008 3:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

2:18 P.M.

1 - Are you saying young, single people are all liberals? Or just that only young single LIBERALS go out on the weekend (check in at your local redneck bar, anywhere outside major metropolitans areas on that). (Oh, hell, none of them vote anyway -- who CARES what they do on the weekend!)

2 - I explained that (you ignored the reason, because it's a known fact, reported consistently, and you had no response).

3 - You liberal idiot. You ignorant C&E "mainstream" lapsed whatever (attending only for funerals and baptisms, and the occasional gay wedding).

What the hell is "church time" on the weekend?? Friday evening Shabbot services? 7th Day Adventist morning services? Sat. evening mass? 5 a.m. Sun. morning mass? 9:30 a.m. Sun. early service? 11 a.m. Sun. late morning service? 12 p.m. Sun. church potluck? 3 p.m. Sun. mass for overnight workers? 5 p.m. Young adult services? 6 p.m. evening service? 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. all-day Pentecostal services? 2 p.m. non-English language services in churches that share facilities with multiple congregations?

Based on your idiotic response, pollsters would never call anyone, EVER. It's ALL church time.

From sundown Friday, to 9 p.m. Sunday evening, church services of some kind are taking part all over the country. More people DON'T attend church in the traditional TV-family, 1950s Sunday a.m. scenario anymore, than do.

How about I take (another) class in polling when you figure out there are 150 major religous groups in this country and hundreds of others -- MOST of which are not IN church, in whatever slim time period you (and your pollster drinking buddies) happen to hold as "church time".

And that's EXACTLY why the people who think they can parade Obama around as "church" person (when he couldn't begin to tell you what his last church was preaching), and that will now do the with abortion-granting "Catholic" Biden will of course, lose not only the "eeeevangelical" vote they've aimed for, but most other people of faith.

Because the liberals DON'T understand the first thing about it.

This is just like when the 900-pay phone numbers came out and all kinds of organizations and marketers were using them for polling and surveys. And they were getting HUGELY incorrect polling data, until they discovered, whoops! Conservatives, families with children in the home, etc. had ALL had their 900 number service blocked -- and the ONLY people answering their surveys where single men, child molesters, and liberal Democratic bureaucrats stuck in D.C. over the break.

August 26, 2008 6:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:


1- Its well documented that younger people skew liberal, right? (And in fact, weekend numbers are usually brought in to bring up the Conservative vote because of this)

2- Please show me where reports say that non-partisan polls are skewed to the left?

3- Last I checked, most Americans attend church/temple on Sunday mornings. If you have any numbers that show otherwise, please present them.

You're obviously "on tilt" with accusations of "liberal idiot" But then again... you believe everything that polls say ... which if you have ever taken a class on polling, you'd know never to do that unless you have the questions, response rates, weights, and the tables and crosstabs (if you even know what those are).

August 26, 2008 7:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

OMG...Villar is sitting behind Bill Clinton tonight in Denver!
Wearing a hideous green on green tie! He's not getting face time...only 'knee' time! He's trying to bend down to get in the camera lens but it's not working!

August 26, 2008 7:32 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said:

Late friday night is when politicians release bad news.
Obama announced his veep pick at 3 in the morning on saturday.
What was he trying to hide.
His campaig manager is dropping the ball.
Someone should have told michelle that the camera would pan to her during hillary's speech and she should put a smile on her face.

August 26, 2008 8:22 PM  

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