tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post4798300816070577338..comments2024-01-13T00:27:20.813-08:00Comments on Mayor Sam's Sister City - Home of Los Angeles Politics: City Hall Seeks to Silence CriticsMayor Samhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16280670018437708708noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-17831901146357032612008-12-29T12:27:00.000-08:002008-12-29T12:27:00.000-08:00Walter only you and Hal Netkin care if we have to ...Walter only you and Hal Netkin care if we have to push 1 for English.<BR/><BR/>We don't need a Minuteman for Mayor when there are other ways to fix the problems Villaraigosa caused.<BR/><BR/>Mexicans don't like Villaraigosa anymore than you do Moore.<BR/><BR/>So stop hating on them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1266765739734746822008-12-29T11:22:00.000-08:002008-12-29T11:22:00.000-08:00Walter, you're sounding as if you never went to la...Walter, you're sounding as if you never went to law school, or that you don't understand how the city works.<BR/><BR/>The City Clerk on her own cannot modify ballot arguments because she thinks that a statement might be false or misunderstood.<BR/><BR/>The pro side, the one with the money, didn't want to to meet with the other side to discuss a settlement because it's easier for them to spend a few bucks, bring in a high powered attorney, sue, and hope that the other side, usually ordinary people, can't raise the money to hire their own attorney and fight back. <BR/><BR/>Interestingly, the people did fight back on their own, despite what Walter said, on Prop. R and won in Superior Court.<BR/><BR/>Don't be so negative Walter. The people do have the ability to win a few now and then. You should try helping them some time.<BR/><BR/>Whether the people win or lose in court, it's an opportunity for them to generate free publicity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-22255198663529155032008-12-29T09:49:00.000-08:002008-12-29T09:49:00.000-08:00The media should be all over this story. Too bad t...The media should be all over this story. Too bad that professional journalism doesn't exist here.<BR/><BR/>The Mayor and his cronies are actually suing citizens because they don't like them opposing a crooked money grab of 3 BILLION taxpayer dollars?? For an unproven, untested, flaky concept like DWP oversight of a single-union installed solar panel system? Come on.<BR/><BR/>Vote Phil Jennerjahn for Mayor.<BR/><BR/>This city needs Conservative leadership.<BR/>The Democratic dictatorship here in Los Angeles is costing taxpayers billions.<BR/><BR/>These people need to go.<BR/><BR/>www.philjennerjahn.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-43956847702620415982008-12-29T09:29:00.000-08:002008-12-29T09:29:00.000-08:00Not only is Walter not getting fawning support fro...Not only is Walter not getting fawning support from the SLAP people, you should hear what people actually have to say about him.<BR/><BR/>Word scramble: aricst gneada<BR/><BR/>Walter would be shocked to hear what people say about him. But I think he is starting to get the idea. People just don't connect with his harsh, angry, mean tone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-5450165799904101792008-12-29T09:24:00.000-08:002008-12-29T09:24:00.000-08:00Exactly how many of Villaraigosa's 93 staffers are...Exactly how many of Villaraigosa's 93 staffers are tasked to this particular blog?Walter Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09885641116259381431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-68564410534179071852008-12-29T08:54:00.000-08:002008-12-29T08:54:00.000-08:00You people are learning what some of us have known...You people are learning what some of us have known for some time:<BR/><BR/>Walter is all about Walter. He won't help anyone unless it pays him in some fashion.<BR/><BR/>Walter isn't getting the fawning support from the SLAP/Ron Kaye people that he expected so he is being what Zuma Dave Elliott Saltsburg calls "a crybaby loser."<BR/><BR/>He loses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-217446493297185302008-12-29T08:52:00.001-08:002008-12-29T08:52:00.001-08:00Dowd, go back to the beach and peddle your incense...Dowd, go back to the beach and peddle your incense.<BR/><BR/>Your knowledge of law is spotty and your promise to leave LA is the best news any of us have gotten from this blog.<BR/><BR/>Villaraigosa will win this election in the primary, and YOU should get back on a boat for Aussieland.<BR/><BR/>Bye now, don't let the door hit you in the ass when you leave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-25608095373377981242008-12-29T08:52:00.000-08:002008-12-29T08:52:00.000-08:00Dowd, go back to the beach and peddle your incense...Dowd, go back to the beach and peddle your incense.<BR/><BR/>Your knowledge of law is spotty and your promise to leave LA is the best news any of us have gotten from this blog.<BR/><BR/>Villaraigosa will win this election in the primary, and YOU should get back on a boat for Aussieland.<BR/><BR/>Bye now, don't let the door hit you in the ass when you leave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-15080326020751046362008-12-29T07:32:00.000-08:002008-12-29T07:32:00.000-08:00P.P.S. A point of context: My comment at 9:03 p....P.P.S. A point of context: My comment at 9:03 p.m. was a response to Joe B's comment of 8:42 p.m. <BR/><BR/>In reviewing the ballot argument to see whether it was false, the court cannot add or omit argument, but must instead base its decision on the words as they appear.<BR/><BR/>In granting relief, however, the Court may very well wind up deleting language. I'm not sure, but I suspect it could add words as well, within limits.<BR/><BR/>The former is a question of liability; the latter, relief.Walter Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09885641116259381431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-12650827647463557242008-12-29T07:30:00.000-08:002008-12-29T07:30:00.000-08:00a court can also make parties bear their own costs...a court can also make parties bear their own costs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-79140739732712551322008-12-29T07:27:00.000-08:002008-12-29T07:27:00.000-08:00P.S. No lawyer in his right mind would file an ac...P.S. No lawyer in his right mind would file an action regarding my ballot arguments. Every statement in my ballot arguments is not only true, but is supported by evidence that I provide, via hyperlink, at my VoteNoLA.com website. <BR/><BR/>Nor would Villaraigosa or any other proponent want the embarrassment of losing such a case in court -- especially since they have millions to throw in support of their special-interest pork projects.<BR/><BR/>Here, however, unless the parties enter into a stipulation, the opponents may wind up having lost much of their credibility, which could itself become the focus of negative advertising.<BR/><BR/>That is why, in my opinion, the focus should be on the actual provisions of the proposal, rather than on whether one side or the other is making false statements. As I mentioned before, I've identified several of the problems with the proposal at the website I set up on three ballot measures: VoteNoLA.com.Walter Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09885641116259381431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-59924195663195028482008-12-29T07:20:00.000-08:002008-12-29T07:20:00.000-08:00LouieG --You are exactly right: the cost-efficien...LouieG --<BR/><BR/>You are exactly right: the cost-efficient thing for the petitioner to have done would have been to approach the opponents to see if they would agree to a modification.<BR/><BR/>However, given the tight deadlines, the petitioner may have wanted the lawsuit in place -- especially since the City Clerk may have felt she lacked the authority to modify the argument after the deadline without a court order.<BR/><BR/>The best thing for all concerned now would be to stipulate to a revised argument that clarifies or omits the problematic language. The petition identifies it, so the opponents could propose omitting or revising it. That would be the cost-efficient way to resolve this.<BR/><BR/>By the way, I'm not at all sure the proponents' argument could pass the truth test. I wonder how a counter-suit would fare? You could wind up with a really short "pro" argument....Walter Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09885641116259381431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-88736742242646006162008-12-28T23:17:00.000-08:002008-12-28T23:17:00.000-08:00OK, I see what Walter's problem is. He wanted to ...OK, I see what Walter's problem is. He wanted to be selected to write the No on B argument, but he wasn't selected, so now he's pouting about it. <BR/><BR/>For a while, Walter was the only one who was aware of the deadlines to volunteer to write arguments and he enjoyed the thought of seeing his name all over the ballot pamphlet, and being the one who the media would contact for the no point of view.<BR/><BR/>Walter, as an attorney you know full well that if the phrase "there were no public hearings" is incorrect that the con side can, in court, submit alternate language, such as saying that there were no hearings at the DWP commission. There can also be a settlement agreement. And, in fact, the court can direct that certain words be added or deleted as it did with Prop. R.<BR/><BR/>Don't be so childish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-22282711489522183782008-12-28T23:01:00.000-08:002008-12-28T23:01:00.000-08:00Mr. Garcetti;Nuking the desert at just the right a...Mr. Garcetti;<BR/><BR/>Nuking the desert at just the right altitude will produce all the silicon we need for solar power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-46786826021838952662008-12-28T21:59:00.000-08:002008-12-28T21:59:00.000-08:00Walter, would you please answer our question about...Walter, would you please answer our question about your involvement with the billboard compaines? It's okay if you felt this was a free enterprise type of battle. Who would have known? You're entitled to your opinion. We just want to know if the allegation is true. If so, why? Have you already explained it on your website? If so, would you kindly direct me to the link?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-14626490158401757452008-12-28T21:55:00.000-08:002008-12-28T21:55:00.000-08:00One comment in the Ron Kaye blog states that such ...One comment in the Ron Kaye blog states that such a legal challenge is par for the course. That is, this always is part of the ballot process. <BR/><BR/>Is that true? If so, could someone tell me what other ballot initiative arguments were challenged?<BR/><BR/>It really bothers me that my tax dollars are being used in such a way and I am curious how often this occurs.<BR/><BR/>I would think a better approach would be that each "side" is privy to what the other is writing so that each can address their points. Keep it out of the courts and leave my tax dollars alone so that the money can be used to fund corporate unions and other dishonorable endeavors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-10271022063119540242008-12-28T21:47:00.000-08:002008-12-28T21:47:00.000-08:00Did they seek any kind of relief before filing thi...Did they seek any kind of relief before filing this suit?<BR/><BR/>Did they ask Ron et. al. to change their tune?<BR/><BR/>Did the ask the city clerk to fix it?<BR/><BR/>If not, they're wasting our money and time.<BR/><BR/>Court is supposed to be a last resort.<BR/><BR/>Walter, what about this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-41632166608357066622008-12-28T21:33:00.000-08:002008-12-28T21:33:00.000-08:00Thank you Walter for your input. I can't wait to s...Thank you Walter for your input. <BR/>I can't wait to see how this plays out.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01630594601192466787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-52878343747847756762008-12-28T21:15:00.000-08:002008-12-28T21:15:00.000-08:00One wonders if Walter Moore if he were being sued ...One wonders if Walter Moore if he were being sued by the Mayor for one of his ballot arguments if he would sing a different tune. He would be insisting all of you help him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-36310134737045685102008-12-28T21:05:00.000-08:002008-12-28T21:05:00.000-08:00P.S. I actually volunteered to help with the argu...P.S. I actually volunteered to help with the argument on December 6, 2008. My input was never sought. I proceeded apace with the two ballot arguments I had been selected to write, namely, re Measures A and E. I also added analysis of my own on Measure B. It's all at VoteNoLA.com -- with supporting materials to back up every assertion I make in my arguments.Walter Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09885641116259381431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-78514887907461144342008-12-28T21:03:00.000-08:002008-12-28T21:03:00.000-08:00Courts cannot insert words that were omitted, nor ...Courts cannot insert words that were omitted, nor omit words that were inserted. Courts, moreover, interpret words in their ordinary and usual sense.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, I would not hold my breath expecting the court to "interpret" the phrase "There were no public hearings" as meaning, "There were public hearings, but they weren't very good; they were only at City Hall, and not at Neighborhood Councils."<BR/><BR/>You can shoot the messenger all you want. But in my opinion, the Court will grant at least some of the relief sought.<BR/><BR/>The real focus, in my opinion, should be on the ballot measure itself. It's really a terrible idea. The lawsuit is a minor sideshow compared to the yet-to-be quantified burden this program would impose on rate-payers.<BR/><BR/>Most of us support solar power. That, however, does not mean we should support this particular proposal.Walter Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09885641116259381431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-62658434249203094262008-12-28T20:48:00.000-08:002008-12-28T20:48:00.000-08:008:23 are you kidding? Walter doesn't help anyone b...8:23 are you kidding? Walter doesn't help anyone but himself. He won't get behind Ron Kaye.<BR/><BR/>But so what. According to this story Noel Weiss is helping Ron. Noel is way more qualified than Walter anyway. <BR/><BR/>Walter works for a billboard law firm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-52480520492657728432008-12-28T20:47:00.000-08:002008-12-28T20:47:00.000-08:00oh my goodness, these clowns [mayor et al] will tr...oh my goodness, these clowns [mayor et al] will trip up all over their own drooling tongues.<BR/>let's look at Villaraigosa: he lost a mayoral election already before falling in 2nd time round because of a Hahn backlash over firing of Bernia Parks. He lost his wife and family after cheating on his own election platform. He trotted out that AB1381 school cluster bullshit in front of the whole state, and media, so many times before being kicked to the curb in court. He massively lost his democratic candidate's nomination race because he backed Clinton over Obama. he's lost the City 400 million somehow if the budget crisis is examined. he's a fuckin' loser, and I wish I had written that ballot argument. I LOVE taking on these guys. they're hopeless. capital H in fact.<BR/>HOPELESS. <BR/>if he gets re-elected, I'll be leaving town. when meter parking for one hour in downtown LA stands at $3 in quarters, I already see this City is at the wall. ready, aim, FIRE!<BR/>this rat will be scuttling onto a way more seaworthy ship. <BR/>any suggestions? lol. that's an open call to all the haters...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-41461807096196134462008-12-28T20:45:00.000-08:002008-12-28T20:45:00.000-08:00Is Walter pissed the Ron Kaye crowd is pulling awa...Is Walter pissed the Ron Kaye crowd is pulling away from him?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-36817751804869424762008-12-28T20:42:00.000-08:002008-12-28T20:42:00.000-08:00Thanks for putting on your lawyer hat. Public hear...Thanks for putting on your lawyer hat. Public hearings means to me a series of hearings over a specific topic held at various locations across the City to allow public input. City Council sessions, although public, were not what I would consider "hearings", nor were they devoted exclusively to this topic. Just my humble opinion that this argument could be made.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01630594601192466787noreply@blogger.com