tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post112672380213782172..comments2024-01-13T00:27:20.813-08:00Comments on Mayor Sam's Sister City - Home of Los Angeles Politics: Judge declares Pledge unconstitutionalMayor Samhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16280670018437708708noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1156201455247195922006-08-21T16:04:00.000-07:002006-08-21T16:04:00.000-07:00The soulution is simple: There should be a set per...The soulution is simple: There should be a set period for students to recite the Pledge and such in SILENCE. If a student does not believe in reciting the oath, then they can remain silent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126831194394983682005-09-15T17:39:00.000-07:002005-09-15T17:39:00.000-07:00Does anyone know the length of time an actual "ple...Does anyone know the length of time an actual "pledge of allegience" lasts? I mean, since children have to recite it everyday, does that make it good for only 24 hours?<BR/><BR/>Also, if we truly are "one nation under God" - does that suggest that God endorses the nation's development and use of weapons of mass destruction against other humans (i.e., missiles, nuclear bombs, chemical weapons, etc.)?<BR/><BR/>Lastly, is this to also imply that other nations are not "under God" and are lesser, immoral, impure and quite possibly deserving of the misfortune they may face?<BR/><BR/>Does God favor our nation over others? Does God even recognize such sovereignties? Is heaven divided into nations? Hmmmmm????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126815177555403892005-09-15T13:12:00.000-07:002005-09-15T13:12:00.000-07:00From Wikipedia:In 1954, after a campaign initiated...From Wikipedia:<BR/><BR/><I>In 1954, after a <B>campaign initiated by the Roman Catholic Knights of Columbus</B>, Senator Homer Ferguson of Michigan sponsored a bill to amend the pledge to include the words under God, to distinguish the U.S. from the officially atheist Soviet Union, and to remove the appearance of flag and nation worship.</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>I haven't said the pledge since as a child I came to the realisation that it currently functions, in part, as an endorsement of state religion. With all of the misguided attempts currently striving to force religion (specifically Christian faith) into areas where it is totally unappropriate (schools, courts, etc...) it's good to know that rational thought still survives in some parts of our government.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126812290452676272005-09-15T12:24:00.000-07:002005-09-15T12:24:00.000-07:00I'm really old because when I was younger, we didn...I'm really old because when I was younger, we didn't say "under god". That happened when I was in about 4th grade. Then I was a midwestern church goer because my mother made me do it. <BR/><BR/> Now I am an atheist who is slightly irritated by it, but I never say it anyway. I pause while everyone else says "under god" and then I pick it back up with the word "indivisible".<BR/><BR/> I taught my children to do the same.<BR/><BR/> I don't think atheists were irritated about it as much until the Christian Right became too involved in our national politics and try to force their agenda on everyone. Now we're obstinate. <BR/><BR/> Christians are the LEAST tolerant group of people in the nation and I can speak on that because I lived it for many years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126764620303704652005-09-14T23:10:00.000-07:002005-09-14T23:10:00.000-07:00Thanks for your comments, I think everything is un...Thanks for your comments, I think everything is under control now. As for the instant matter here, I think that "under God" neither helps nor hurts, but the act of pledging allegiance itself, standing there with your hand over your heart and swearing as though taking an oath--one before God, at that--is a silly thing to expect a child to do meaningfully. It's too much like repeating a creed. There must be some way to enable kids to express love of country without making them do the highly adult-like thing of swearing an oath of allegiance.Joseph Mailanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07753082460547996624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126761964237323832005-09-14T22:26:00.000-07:002005-09-14T22:26:00.000-07:00This is nothing more than a colossal waste of time...This is nothing more than a colossal waste of time and a complete waste of our national discourse. I can understand why somone might have concerns about church-state issues and in genearl the 'culture war' in our country but in my opinion spending all ones attention on what are such minor things like for example G-d in the pledge of allegiance or any other of these 'cultural' issues waste time that could be spent on poverty, on education, on etc. All this shit does is leeds further polarization-people of faith feeling shut out- atheists feeling shut out. Talk about the stuff that matters not a small cross on a seal- or a single word in a pledge that's been there without people suing for 50 years.<BR/><BR/>-- Charlie CarnowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126761442753174672005-09-14T22:17:00.000-07:002005-09-14T22:17:00.000-07:00This thread went totally Godless. A sign of some ...This thread went totally Godless. A sign of some sort?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126761085836475222005-09-14T22:11:00.000-07:002005-09-14T22:11:00.000-07:00http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.a...http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=16766Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126759617594867072005-09-14T21:46:00.000-07:002005-09-14T21:46:00.000-07:00The closet gay politicians in Los Angeles must coo...The closet gay politicians in Los Angeles must coordinate a coming out party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126759070702044702005-09-14T21:37:00.000-07:002005-09-14T21:37:00.000-07:009:22 PM This a a low threat level trojan, see here...9:22 PM <BR/><BR/>This a a low threat level trojan, see here, don't worry so much, just clean it out of your computer.<BR/><BR/>Risk Assessment <BR/> - Home Users: Low <BR/> - Corporate Users: Low <BR/>Date Discovered: 4/9/2003 <BR/>Date Added: 4/22/2003 <BR/>Origin: Unknown <BR/>Length: Varies <BR/>Type: Trojan <BR/>SubType: Exploit <BR/>DAT Required: 4258Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126758960117503832005-09-14T21:36:00.000-07:002005-09-14T21:36:00.000-07:00Hi Joseph,When I clicked, I saw"There is no websit...Hi Joseph,<BR/><BR/>When I clicked, I saw<BR/><BR/>"There is no website configured at this address" message." <BR/><BR/><BR/>Hope this helps.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126758784465667502005-09-14T21:33:00.001-07:002005-09-14T21:33:00.001-07:00Sorry--we thought we had fixed that by changing th...Sorry--we thought we had fixed that by changing the server. It apparently does it for some machines but not for most. But what I really want to know is, did you see the usual Martini Republic page, or something else?Joseph Mailanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07753082460547996624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126758782892572382005-09-14T21:33:00.000-07:002005-09-14T21:33:00.000-07:00Virus Profile: Exploit-ByteVerifyVirus Profile: Exploit-ByteVerifyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126758176327642682005-09-14T21:22:00.000-07:002005-09-14T21:22:00.000-07:00When you click to your site Martini Republic, I go...When you click to your site Martini Republic, I got a Trojan Horse <BR/><BR/>Please do not tell anyone else to click on that...you will damage your data.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126756502723385132005-09-14T20:55:00.000-07:002005-09-14T20:55:00.000-07:00Can any nighthawks here help me for a minute?Will ...Can any nighthawks here help me for a minute?<BR/><BR/>Will you please go to our website:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://martinirepublic.com" REL="nofollow">Martini Republic</A><BR/><BR/>And let me know either via email or in this thread if you can see our site, or if you get a "There is no website configured at this address" message.<BR/><BR/>Thanks much, and sorry to intrude.<BR/><BR/>Joseph Mailander<BR/>joseph.mailander@gmail.comJoseph Mailanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07753082460547996624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126751695432885392005-09-14T19:34:00.000-07:002005-09-14T19:34:00.000-07:00Thank Goddess for the 9th Circuit!Thank Goddess for the 9th Circuit!True Bluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15166772567145475974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126745097398060632005-09-14T17:44:00.000-07:002005-09-14T17:44:00.000-07:00hey Sam: stick to city gossip. u dont have a clue ...hey Sam: stick to city gossip. u dont have a clue about the First Amendment.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126744815435725402005-09-14T17:40:00.000-07:002005-09-14T17:40:00.000-07:005:24 - Only if its less than 200 pages.Cheers!Mayo...5:24 - <BR/><BR/>Only if its less than 200 pages.<BR/><BR/>Cheers!<BR/>Mayor SamMayor Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16280670018437708708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126743862436674552005-09-14T17:24:00.000-07:002005-09-14T17:24:00.000-07:00I'm sure any day now Fabian, Gilbert and Jackie G....I'm sure any day now Fabian, Gilbert and Jackie G. will pass legislation to find the US Constitution "un-constitutional" on the grounds that none of the founding fathers were either gay,american indians, muslims, or undocumented migrants.<BR/>Next will be the removal of all national symbols like the flag and the Declaration of Independance re-written in 27 languages.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126742217102227622005-09-14T16:56:00.000-07:002005-09-14T16:56:00.000-07:00.Think of 9/11, and Katrina, and then consider thi....<BR/>Think of 9/11, and Katrina, and then consider this:<BR/><BR/><B>The Riddle of Epicurus</B><BR/><BR/>Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.<BR/><BR/>Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.<BR/><BR/>Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?<BR/><BR/>Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126741562014976142005-09-14T16:46:00.000-07:002005-09-14T16:46:00.000-07:00"God" isn't very particular. Muslims worship the ..."God" isn't very particular. Muslims worship the same God. Are any of these other religions actually complaining? It seems to always be a whiny atheist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126741461431628192005-09-14T16:44:00.000-07:002005-09-14T16:44:00.000-07:00This nation was founded on God, but that's another...This nation was founded on God, but that's another story.<BR/><BR/>The first amendment says that Congress should neither respect an establishment of religion nor prohibit the free exercise thereof.<BR/><BR/>Forcing people to say under God violates the first part, taking it out violates the second part. <BR/><BR/>Someday those whose religion has been forcibly taken from them will remember.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126739883101835492005-09-14T16:18:00.000-07:002005-09-14T16:18:00.000-07:00Forget about athiests! What about Buddhists? Musl...Forget about athiests! What about Buddhists? Muslims? anyone else who follows a different religios teaching? The oath should have one purpose--swear allegiance to ones country. Not to affirm a particular religious teaching.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126739256421685032005-09-14T16:07:00.001-07:002005-09-14T16:07:00.001-07:003:51 - Those things you care about aren't helped a...3:51 - Those things you care about aren't helped at all by this ruling or the lawsuit that led to it. On the contrary, this ruling hands conservatives who oppose your agenda a meaningless issue to distract us with, and a weapon to use against Democrats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826939.post-1126739227039343572005-09-14T16:07:00.000-07:002005-09-14T16:07:00.000-07:003:51 - Those things you care about aren't helped a...3:51 - Those things you care about aren't helped at all by this ruling or the lawsuit that led to it. On the contrary, this ruling hands conservatives who oppose your agenda a meaningless issue to distract us with, and a weapon to use against Democrats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com